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  • I strongly disagree with your comment because it states some assumptions of how you imagine anarchism as facts about anarchism even when some of your points are simply just a subsection of anarchist ideas. I will discuss what I mean by that.

    The whole notion of “organizing as a group” is inherently authoritarian, since it starts with the presumption that an individual can have a meaningful position regarding not only their own decisions, but the decisions of others.

    I would say that this first point you make is one of the ones where I think it has just a little to do with anarchism and strait-up ignores social anarchism and only argues for a individualist school of thought. “organizing as a group”, is not inherently authoritarian it is more about how the group is organized and if the form of organization allows the accumulation of permanent power or creation of a hierarchy. That is the point where literally all bigger anarchist movements come to play, in difference to the status quo where one can accumulate power through the state and accumulation of capital they want to establish a form of society were this is not possible and where society is governed on a egalitarian line by the people for the people. This is done through the “organizing as a group” thing, that’s for example the whole idea of anarcho syndicalism in short: organize a big federation of unions -> over through state and capitalism -> govern the industry through bottom up, decentralized, democratic structures which are already prepared and build in the syndicalist unions(very short summary). What I want to say in this point is that organizing is very important and one should not think of “personal freedom” and “organizing in a group” inherently as two opposite things. An other good read on that is “The Dawn of Everything” by David Graeber and David Wengrow, in that book they also show how other societys organized as groups without compromising the freedom of the individuals in that society.

    True statelessness will only be possible when all of the individuals in a given area (or close enough as makes no meaningful difference) have achieved the psychological and philosophical state of being wholly in charge of and responsible for their own decisions, and wholly ceding to others control over and responsibility for their own. And when enough individuals reach that position, statelessness will be the natural and inevitable result, simply because nobody will be either claiming or submitting to nominally rightful authority.

    What this implies is that people just have to get into the right mindset for anarchism and just have to realize they should oppose arbitrary authority. I think that this is to short of an answer. Even when more people would realize arbitrary authority is bad they would still be in the material conditions that forces them to do their jobs and live their lives as they currently do it, thinking that it just needs a shift in the state of mind(even when it is also somewhat important) is to simple, it is also important to develop communal support systems and organize groups to make the existing conditions redundant and over-through the current conditions that force you into compliance. That is also done through organizing, the changing of the “psychological and philosophical state” can also be done through organized study groups

    Any attempts to organize to speed up the process will necessarily involve forcing individuals to submit to stateless ideals, and will thus be authoritarian themselves and will thereby defeat the goal.

    That is just not true, when you organize some system that changes the material conditions, so people no longer have to obey to arbitrary authority, especially when it is a dual power situation does not mean that they are forced to a new way of life, its more a creation of an alternative that people can choose or even construct. Your whole argument assumes that the people currently participating in the society participate because they want to and ignores the material conditions that forces them to obey to the boss and state. Organizing can create a alternative which can change the material conditions and enable people to decide by themself how they want to live.

    Your other points build on these arguments, so I will not go into detail about them.

    Here are also some books or topics worth looking into:

    Books:

    Declaration of the Principles of Syndicalism - Rudolf Rocker

    What Is Communist Anarchism? - Alexander Berkman

    Topics:

    Rojava, and Democratic Confederalism is interesting because their ideology is strongly inspired by Murray Bookchin and aims to create a stateless society.

    Zapatista Uprising because they also have strong anarchist ideas they try to put in practice.

    I hope this does not come as rude, I don’t hate you personally I just disagree with some of your points on a stronger level but i truly hope you have a great day :]







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    2 months ago

    vllt kommen viele dumme dinge von .ml und .world weil beide viele Nutzer haben und dementsprechend auch eine große Variabilität an (auch dummen) Meinungen.

    Ich denke, dass wenn eine Instanz eine gewisse größte überschreitet immer der fall sein wird dass auch komische Leute dabei sind und man sollte nicht den Fehler machen die “Kultur” einer Instanz anhand dessen zu definieren. Allgemein finde ich das recht lost wie viel wert Leute in einer Diskussion legen auf welchem Server die Teilnehmer der Diskussion sind.


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    2 months ago

    Allende will Pressefreiheit nicht einschränken

    steigert trotz us Embargo und US Propaganda seine Umfragewerte

    USA putscht einen Tag vor Neuwahlen und unterstützt Militärdiktatur ohne Pressefreiheit

    verdammter Sozialismus kann gar nicht funktionieren grrrrr lieber Marktwirtschaft

    Du bist literarisch das meme