It’s still a losing proposition, even if you don’t already have a factory in [insert country]. Steel is cheap yes, the value add comes from labor and capex payback yes, but there’s more than just metal that makes a car go vroom .

25% tariff on car parts

Ca parts could be anything from plastic fan ducting or the infotainment screen, or major components like engines and drivetrains. The majority of which is plastics/polymers and aluminum. The engine has steel sure, but the aluminum block is the most expensive part, while steel con-rods, crankshafts, and gears aren’t exactly an easy thing to set up a new factory in order to duck tariffs - tariffs that have been proven to come and go over social media beef.

So while it’s impossible to truly know the full BoM cost without seeing each component category’s HTS codes and how each maker sources their parts, I’d still wager that the 15% is the better pathway. Especially if you already have a factory, a known and trained labor pool, established transit and vendor links, etc

What it’ll definitely have more impact upon is expensive or luxury brands, because the material cost doesn’t scale with the sticker price the consumer sees.

As opposed to a fantasy, yes.

Ah yes. Nothing is possible, we should accept the scraps that our rulers and industry leaders allow us and be grateful. “The orphan crushing machine is quite tolerable today, thank ye sire for only taking three children”.

If Biden truly wanted to, he could have curbed Israel in 2023. And not even anything as bold as an immediate and complete arms embargo; there was a lot of US soft power that he and Harris refused to wield, and what was done was largely token optics like sanctioning settlers whilst shipping arms contrary to US regulations, or ‘pausing’ delivery of 2,000lb bombs whilst keeping the 500lb & 1,000lb bombs and artillery shells flowing.

No. Nobody deserves a genocide.

I understood your first comment perfectly - you felt ‘online righteousness’ was the most worthy thing to bring up for discussion. Not:

• Wow, how could the Dems not have defused this wedge issue, dumb politicians
• How awful that the people of Gaza are facing their current existence
• What a blunder of a party platform to ignore the people’s dissent re: arming Israel
• Screw the right for bad-faith messaging, Trump has been worse
• etc

You saw a preventable death of a child suffering under apartheid and genocide, and felt that ‘online morons’ who didn’t vote/voted 3rd party deserved more attention.

And no, English is my first language.

No, I can recognize the politicians are shit and still realize the loss was primarily due to racist dumbasses.

If so, why open with this comment then?

People with “moral righteousness” here on Lemmy helped to elect someone who made it far, far worse.

The politicians. Is this a hard concept, or are you bad faith trolling?

They’re not stupid, they had access to better polling data than you and I, they knew there was a massive anti-incumbent sentiment, that while the S&P 500 was performing well, the people were struggling, and that Israel was increasing a vote loser across all political stripes - the politicians saw all that, and they still ran the campaign they ran.

They decided that, whilst choking out all grassroots challengers and criticism, and you’ve swallowed whole the “disloyal lefty” narrative that exonerates their failure completely. “We didn’t lose, it’s those disloyal fifth columnist double flagged operatives”

I’m disappointed in the broad electorate for not seeing through Trump, but I understand that economic desperation is rocket fuel for fascism and it doesn’t go away if faced with more of the status quo that brought us to this point. The Dems needed to pivot, and refused to change with the times.

If your reaction is basically…

But what about meeeee? I have to deal with orange man in the office now

… when confronted with a genocide, maybe just don’t comment?

And besides, it’s a massive cope to blame the loss on ‘online moral righteousness’ when we all saw the campaigns play out. “We beat Medicare” should have never been allowed to happen, and Kamala should have had some firm policy stances instead of “I wouldn’t have done anything different”.

for some absolutely absurd reason, it usually isn’t illegal for the government to lie. Like on the subpoena.

Wait, seriously? They can outright lie, not like “our investigation leads us to believe that you X and are charged with Y” like an arraignment?

I have a genuine question that’s been bugging me. Will Israel sate their bloodlust for revenge and stop the genocide, or wait for their entire society to rot completely from the inside out as they commit themselves fully to the expansionist fascist ideology?

I can’t find the Hannah Arendt quote for the life of me, but she called it correctly from the jump off - maintaining a militarized occupation of Palestine et al without popular mandate or agreement, requires domination via apartheid or ethnic cleansing, and will fundamentally corrupt the state in all aspects of life.

This is so mind bogglingly insidious to actually roll out because Delta is a regional hub monopoly and major common carrier nationwide, they very well could be the market setters for this kind of AI-price scalping. Like, we’re just going to throw out the concept of serving ‘a market segment’ and trying to land on a certain price:offering ratio to capture market share via demand curve plotting, inherently leaving space both at the fringes and center for competition.

Now there is no competition. How does American or United price compare on routes or seat category, when there is no public price, but a personalized formula to maximize value extraction from each person? It’d be like trying to price compare at a close-envelope auction - you can’t.

There already is a lot of opacity in the buying process like phased seat releases creating artificial scarcity, but this is next level. I can absolutely see Delta holding back seats instead of selling them to ‘low value’ individuals who have very elastic demand, and releasing seats early/only for those who’ll pay the fees. Want peace of mind knowing you locked in your flight 6-9mo ahead? Pay up 🔫

I spent a few messages doing that, even though you were pretty hostile with me out of the gate

You read my exasperation as hostility, because my initial reply was to a lot of your hand waving that ‘anyone would have been as bad as Biden’ completely sidesteps his obvious cognitive state, and the withering voter enthusiasm he carried both in and out of the party.

Sounds like you’re not into the idea of doing the homework in order to learn what you would need to in order to be able to continue the conversation and have it be productive.

Does this actually work on people? Like do you genuinely think telling someone that they’re too dumb/ignorant to participate, that that is effective rhetoric that communicates with others?

You got challenged on a massive point of context, confirmed your actual position, to which I agreed and then pivoted to their doomed strategy of ‘I wouldn’t do anything differently’ was a failure from the jump, and your response is cynical elitism? Good luck convincing others dude

Like I said, I’m not real into continuing the conversation then. Best of luck to ye.

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Honestly, I’m just sick of having the exact same conversation an indefinite number of times every time I come to lemmy.world.

…then stop posting/lurking in .world then? Or accept that it’s not your backyard, and you have different views?

The DNC is not on Lemmy

Doubtful, though I’d still hold out for some Linux-hatted staffer Venn intersection. But I’m sure that web crawlers and API scrapers are, which do feed into data sets used to judge people’s opinions. And there’s definitely a lot of neoliberals who lurk and comment, amongst other political stripes.

I’m happy to talk with you, if you do some homework first

Lmao if you actually want to genuinely talk to some, that line is condescending as fuck and you should never use it. And re: Gaza? Just scroll up, you brought up Gaza in your first reply in this comment thread - unprompted. Instead of demanding I do the mental labor of deciphering your (seemingly mutable) politics, and just lay out what you actually believe?

This is my headcannon for why we’ll never have first contact. Because in a theoretical infinite universe, aliens 100% exist in some form, but they’re absolutely mortified by the signals we pump out into our nearspace from TV, radio, internet, etc

The most curious aliens might take a peek or come down for scans, but actually getting out of the UAP is like jumping the fence at the Cincinnati Zoo.

I’ve heard this “if we expose them whatta-buh-bout collapse?” a few times now. And if you’re trying to tell me that the global system is predicated upon the ultra rich and powerful being able to traffick and serially abuse children and get away with it, that’s not a system worth saving.

Burn it down, to the water line, and start anew. Release the whole thing, not a redacted or doctored list to quell the MAGA revolt. Everyone who was ever on that island - from the wait staff to Bill Gates - needs to be investigated properly, cleared as appropriate, and punished as deserved.

You know I keep that mf’ing thang on me

As has been demonstrated, attention is all that matters, positive or negative.

Cuomo lost the primary. I don’t understand ‘what has been demonstrated’ beyond a sexpest failed governor staying in the race as an independent to spoil the elected primary choice in the NY general.

It’s insane how deeply institutional FUD over anyone left of Nancy Pelosi pervades the party. Y’all out here cynically doubting immediately, let the man fail on his own demerits, instead of maintaining the ‘another unelectable lefty smh’ meme you are rehashing.

hand-wringing about how these specific Democratic candidates fucked everything up, should be sparing at least one or two words for thirty years of Democratic fuckery laying the groundwork

I agree (and did), but posting that context often was dismissed with “it’s election season, quit posting FUD if you’re not a troll/bad-faith”. Y’all weren’t there for the discussion even - as was shown with Gaza.

But the basic fact is that the candidate(s) and party apparatus either: A) Fundamentally failed to read the room and see the obvious discontent and voter backlash over several policy stances and material realities, or B) Knew all that and still decided to run the campaign they wanted to, whilst cynically wielding the Republicans as a worse option to impel democrat voters on the left, so they could run to the center and abandon the working class to the Republicans

Nobody forced them or their staffers to pick option B, even as their own internal polling showed their defeat was all but assured under option B. And here we are.

Biden was old as fuck and it was a massive problem, even before the debate. I’m saying that none of the most serious problems got solved when he was replaced. And look… they didn’t.

So when do I get to play the ‘Quit spreading FUD’ card then? Because as you said, if nothing was going to fundamentally change re:platform, why not present a new and younger candidate after Biden’s cognitive meltdown, and claw back some of the party’s reputation with the electorate? Why not hold a ‘speed primary’? Why let cynicism win out and accept Biden drowning the party with him, because ‘nobody else can do better’ while he’s an elder lich that refuses to let go of power?

There’s daylight between

I want them to shadowban the badthink for me

And

Maybe curate your own whitelist instead?

But again, idk I’m the weirdo obviously. Plz mods, defed from all outsider thought to keep us ideologically pure 🙏

Instead of crying for mommy and daddy admin to defederate from the ‘.ml badthink’ and build your uncritical hug box for everyone else, you can always block the instance as a whole client side. That why we left Reddit, you are in control of your experience

Or just keep scrolling and stow the comment instead of demanding others change, but maybe I’m a weirdo idk

I said that with replacing Biden, we’d lose the election, because the exact same arguments that applied to Biden would get applied to Harris, plus some new ones,

Are you genuinely, seriously, trying to pretend that Joe “We beat Medicare” Biden was the better candidate to beat Trump? Bruh.

This absolute baldfaced refusal to accept reality from Democrat loyalists up and down the party structure, makes the whole party look unserious. Team sports, ‘my guy can do no wrong’ horseshit that they also see from the MAGAs, but team red talks game about inflation and the economy - and isn’t the incumbent seen as responsible for it.