I will never by a portable device without a headphone jack

You can get 3.5 mm to USB-C adapters for relatively cheap, or buy direct USB-C wired headphones. GrapheneOS allows you to restrict the permissions of the USB-C port to your needs. Alternatively, just use wireless earbuds, if you don’t care about the security issues with Bluetooth. GrapheneOS also includes automatically disabling Bluetooth after a timeout when it’s not in use.

In my opinion, the security benefits of GrapheneOS far outweigh the need for a 3.5 mm headphone jack.

Instead I am currently trying out Sailfish OS on a Xperia 10 to use Linux

Linux phones are wildly insecure.

Hey, thanks for this!

However I would like to say that you may have either oversimplified or misunderstood some concepts you talk about here.

Mostly oversimplification. However, I don’t know everything and do make mistakes like everyone else.

Debian is indeed less secure than a stable release Linux distribution based on sane defaults, however they do backport security issues into their older kernel which is how older kernels are maintained. So while yes, they may still use kernel 6.1, they also may have backported 6.12 vulnerability fixes.

I acknowledged this in this comment.

Groups being at odds is not all good and neither is it all bad.

This is true, but there needs to be more constructive discourse rather than directly attacking different viewpoints. People who say they use Brave on Lemmy often get lynched pretty quickly, for example.

For a beginner distro, definitely don’t use secureblue. While it is user friendly to use, it’s pretty difficult to install properly and requires a bit of knowledge about Linux to do so.

The ideal roadmap I would give to people trying out Linux for the first time would be this:

If you use MacOS: Buy a new laptop and install Ubuntu

If you use Windows 11: Install Kubuntu. Get used to using Linux using that, and, when you’re ready, transition to Ubuntu

If you use Windows 10: Install Linux Mint. Get used to using Linux using that, and, when you’re ready, install Kubuntu. Get used to using that, then, when you’re ready again, transition to Ubuntu.

After you’ve gotten used to Ubuntu and feel ready, install Fedora Workstation.

Once you are used to a Fedora-based distro, you can try out Fedora Silverblue.

After learning Fedora Atomic, you can rebase to secureblue without issue.

(Windows 10 -> ) Linux Mint -> (Windows 11 -> ) Kubuntu -> (MacOS -> ) Ubuntu -> Fedora Workstation -> Fedora Silverblue -> secureblue

It should give you a well rounded knowledge of Linux and an easy, slow transition to more secure distros. Really the important thing when starting with Linux is using a desktop environment that is most familiar to what you already are used to. Desktop environments are the “looks” of Linux.

• Linux Mint uses Cinnamon as a desktop environment, which looks most similar to Windows 10
• Kubuntu uses KDE Plasma as a desktop environment, which looks most similar to Windows 11
• Ubuntu and all the rest use GNOME as a desktop environment, which looks most similar to MacOS

Each transition in the roadmap teaches you something new about Linux to get used to.

Good luck!

Honestly I’m just not sure about Debian being insecure take

Besides Linux being fundamentally insecure (as I mentioned early on in my post), Debian focuses on stability by providing a set of software that is thoroughly tested but does not change for years. While they do provide security fixes for a lot of software, the reality is that using outdated software in any capacity is a security risk of its own, and is bound to provide bugs that harm stability. Comparing Debian to bleeding-edge distros like Fedora, which focuses on security, it’s clear the differences in security between them.

Thanks Very informative

Thank you!

I agree with almost all your takes here

I’m open to discussion, if you want to!

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