Are we really trying to get off on the technicality that it doesn’t count as abuse if the animal has already been murdered? Eating animal products is participation in systemic animal abuse on a vast and infinitely cruel scale. It’s a contradiction in the same way it would be a contradiction to say “I don’t like pedophiles but I’m fine with child trafficking.”
There is no such thing as ethical consumption of animal products, by the way.
Here is Hasan holding the collar, with a rectangular led indicator on the side.
Here is the shock version
Here is the vibration only collar with much more rounded corners on the LED indicator
Here is a shot of an unboxing video of the vibration model on the store page of the item
Here’s another screenshot from the clip with a better angle, threw a high pass filter on part of it to show what kinda looks like black tape over where the prongs would normally be.
Personally I like the idea of someone out there acting as an alternative for young people who might otherwise funnel into some alt right pipeline. People don’t read much, and they gotta get good information from somewhere.
I can’t argue with the rest of that, all good points.
Just for reference this is a screengrab I just took from the upload Hasan put on his YouTube channel of him showing the collar, I really wish he had just shown it closer to the camera cause anything he shows now could easily be bought and shipped in the time that has passed since the seventh.
This is the collar that looks the most like the one Hasan showed on stream, if you just took the prongs out, which you can do. Theres a a few of them that look like this, all shock collars.
That company only makes one collar that is vibrate only and it’s this:
I haven’t been able to find a vibrate only collar that looks like the one he showed, but I’ll be ecstatic if someone does cause I want to be able to support Hasan. I honestly would have been willing to accept Hasan saying “This is a shock collar but I dont use the shock feature, I just use the vibrate function, that’s why I have taken the prongs out, as you can see here.”
I don’t know, I like animals more than people, hell I like bugs more than people, so it’s hard to be chill about stuff like this for me and I wish it just weren’t something I had to think about.
Just replying to you here since my other comment covers what you’ve replied with. Sorry if that’s rude, I’m trying not to be rude.
Just replying to you here since my other comment covers what you’ve replied with. Sorry if that’s rude, I’m trying not to be rude.
I’m sorry, I made a foolish error when commenting because I was on my way out the door and didn’t give enough time to the details, so let me back up.
This is obviously a smear campaign by Isn’trael and the “I hate Hasan” club, I get that. It’s being astroturfed and boosted, yes. When I saw the initial clip I thought immediately “Oh she hurt herself, my dog has done shit like that. Bad timing is all.” And when Hasan came out and said that I thought “Exactly, nothing more to be said about this.”
And then Hasan went on stream a day later, and to prove his point showed the camera Kaya’s collar, which to my surprise, was just a shock collar with the prongs removed. When I say evidence I mean I’ve been keeping track of it cause I have Hasan’s youtube channel playing in my ear while I’m at work cause I’m a sicko and that’s how I like to hear about current events, and when he showed the collar the first thing I did was go look for the model online. There’s a retailer that sells them and they don’t offer a vibration only model in that chassis, and as far as I can tell, they never have. I know I’m not the only person who did that, so I assumed other hexbears would be operating under the same info that I am, which is my bad.
All that is to say I don’t know if he shocked her on stream, but the collar he showed is like 99% definitely a shock collar, which you don’t put on a dog unless you’re shocking them. It has no prongs on camera, cause you can just take them out.
Obviously I’ve seen other things out there that I can handwave as unprovable, or outright fake, or just a non-issue, in the name of solidarity, for example Hasan is notorious for eating a lot of meat, and doing so on stream. There’s a level of “any port in a storm” for me, which is the case for a lot of vegans I think. It’s really the one thing that blows it all up for me. If someone happens to find that vibration only collar with the same chassis as the one he showed on stream, that’s what I am looking for and have been unable to find.
I tacked a 0 on the end cause I needed 6 characters but hey, look at that.
Alright I’m a Hexbear, and a vegan, I also have trouble navigating these things, and social situatons in general. I want to support Hasan but this one I’m having trouble with. You seem very confident in your position, so you seem like a good person to ask this.
Please help me understand how Hasan isn’t an animal abuser, or if he is, how it isn’t a problem. I’m trying to look at the evidence myself and the conclusion I’ve come to is very different from the conclusion you’ve come to, and it’s not because I spent more time on LSF or something because I don’t go to reddit and I’ve never cared what H3 or Sexpestiny have had to say.
People threw such a fit over his bat logo, I think it’s one of the most original and interesting designs to come out of DC in recent years, the comics are amazing too
No but you don’t understand, Microsoft had to buy these developers cause we couldn’t have them getting bought by a bunch of asians.
They’ll come back next time Kimmel gets fired
Post title should probably include the guy who is fucking Trumps crush.
Top 100 reasons trains are the best.
I hope Nintendo levels the United States government with copyright law like they do private citizens when they make a fan project, but I know this will go unaddressed.
I’m currently taking a little breakarooni from drowning myself in my special interests because I am finding myself ₒᵥ ₑ ᵣw ₕ ₑₗₘ ₑ d lately
That’s the face of someone who knows something that they know they aren’t supposed to know.
Not a plant, but I always giggle about Idolomantis Diabolica cause they’ve got the most intense name, but they’re so clumsy and goofy, they wobble and they’re so quick to flash their arms up which really just means they’re scaredy cats.
Bishop Owl is playing a game. I am meeting Bishop Owl at the park We went to Bishop Owl house for dinner.
Fuck my pronouns have let me down.
I should really change it to they/them I don’t know why I make the decisions I make sometines.
I mean yeah, it’s not harming an animal actively, it can be argued that it would be a waste to just discard the item? If someone owns some hand-me-down leather boots that have lasted them a decade the amount of damage they’ve offset by not buying a dozen pairs of petroleum based boots is worth something.
Does dignity factor in for animals? Would people feel different if the boots were made of dog leather? What if you can’t wear petrol based footwear cause you work at the smeltery and normal shoes will combust? What if carnists see your cool skin boots and decide cool skin boots are in this fall and go out and buy them in droves?
I’m starting to get a little silly with it, but I think there are valid questions here.