they tried something similar(not so similar) with scarlett johansan, where they tried to sneakingly use the streaming income to avoid paying her what she was owed on her contract.
I sort of find it funny and sad that some people expect another person to do the same work (or similar) for half the salary. While most of us would not do that if it wasn’t needed. Sure, he’s rich but money is money.
Would you do the same work you’re currently doing for half the salary when you know, you can get the same or better salary elsewhere? I don’t think so.
Renner went on to suggest that the proposed lower salary was a result of his near-fatal 2023
Though his take on this is… well, odd.
“This is not Marvel, mind you. This is like, just Disney, not even really Disney. It’s just the penny pinchers, the accountants. I told them to go fly a kite. I mean, just at the at the insult offer. So we didn’t see eye to eye on it,”
It’s sad that he became arrogant. He could’ve just let it at “no, I will not do it”.
I don’t know about the specific of the deal or what S2 will actually contain, but as I understand S1 set up a new Hawkeye so maybe S2 would’ve had Renner not as the main character and possibly not doing the same amount of work. If he is going to do less work it would make sense to also pay less. This of course is speculation as we don’t know actually know what S2 would’ve been about or what deal was presented to Renner. All we know is Renners side where he claims it would’ve been the same amount of work and I don’t think I need to explain how that can’t be taken as the absolute truth. The rest of what he said really makes me question if he’s being completely honest or is he skewing the story to make himself look like the good guy.
But if he is telling the truth it would be pretty fucked up to offer half the salary for the same amount of work.
Many people are ignoring another part of the formula. Actors draw views. Renner is the main interest I have in Hawkeye. Kate Bishop is a fine character, but personally Renner is why I watched season 1. Charlie Cox and Vincent D’nofrio are the reason I watched the new Daredevil series.
Renner might be blowing it out of proportion, but the reality is without his involvement I’m probably going to skip it.
I’ll give each character a chance to stand on their own but I’m not personally interested in Kate Bishop as a story driver.
I get that his name draws views but I don’t think that’s a factor going from S1 to S2. It’s not like he went from nobody to somebody. He was already popular prior to S1, he didn’t get more popular between seasons. His S1 salary probably already accounted for his popularity so it was most likely also accounted in the S2 salary. But, if he thinks he should’ve been paid more because of his name recognition then that’s him pretty much trying to do the same thing he’s blaming the accountants for, he would be trying to squeeze out every penny from his popularity.
So in your estimation, you don’t think he should be upset that Disney, one of the biggest organizations in the world, is refusing to pay him what he believes is value to be?
Kinda? He’s free to ask whatever price the believes he is worth, I don’t have an issue with that. But just like he’s free to ask whatever price he thinks is fair it’s also fair for the other side to just say “No, thanks”. No reason to be upset about it. Or do you think I should side with someone in the top 1% simply because one of the biggest corporations in the world told them no? It’s someone with “set for life” money complaining that the corporation with essentially infinite funds didn’t want to give him as much money as he demanded. I think siding with either side (based on the information we know so far) is stupid.
I mean. I’m not siding with Renner, here. I initially pointed out an observation I didn’t see anybody making.
I replied to you specifically because it seemed to me you were discounting Renners contribution to the success of the first season. I do think it’s fine for him to be publicly pissed about this, if what he’s saying is true. I don’t know either way but if he left those meetings feeling that way, there may be a reason and there’s no reason to assume he’s just a rich guy being a rich asshole.
If i made millions doing very little work in a job that simmers down slowly, because all i peoduce is slob that no one cares for. Yes, i might take a paycut.
it wont stop there, now they know your “easy to bait and switch” so they will offer even less next time.
That’s what you say now because you are not in that situation. But I’m quite certain you would not. Because if you know, you used to have for example 500k salary and suddenly it would be 250k, you would refuse and want the full 500k. No matter whether you produce “slob”.
I certainly would not be okay with getting my salary suddenly halved. No matter what kind of work or salary it first was.
We are all half a Jeremy on this blessed day.
Speak for yourself.
I am all half a Jeremy on this blessed day
God bless you, KenM
Jeremy spoke in class today.
Half a Jeremy is a quarter of a Jeremy Bearimy.
That guy is a blessing.
That’s guy’s still in great shape even during rebuilding. I wish I could be half so fit on this blessed day !
Oh absolutely. My comment was an old joke concerning a social media account named Ken M.
I’m like, at most 1/10 a Jeremy.
Trust Disney to kick him while he’s down
They can get a masked CGI to do it for less. CGI A.I. body doubles is gonna make them rich.
Be curious to see how that would go down… unless he signed away his likeness.
Eventually, but I think we’re still in uncanny valley territory wrt complex movements (what action shows need)
I never knew about this. What a weird, fucked up thing to do.
I was never a fan of his, but when I saw this I decided he’s just not a good person. What a gross thing to do to people who support you. I hope to not have to see him in anything going forward.
Idk man.
I went to the Wiki article, and it’s formatted in a way that basically implies he did the app himself.
Renner explained the shutdown in a goodbye post. “Due to clever individuals that were able to manipulate ways to impersonate me and others within the app, I have asked ESCAPEX, the company that runs this app, to shut it down immediately and refund anyone who has purchased any stars over the last 90 days,” he wrote. Stars are the app’s version of currency. “What was supposed to be a place for fans to connect with each other has turned into a place that is everything I detest and can’t or won’t condone.”
So it’s some company called ESCAPEX. I could put money, but not a lot of it, on them having sold Renner the concept instead of the other way around. Artists always have tons of passive income from things like that, and it seems like it ran pretty smoothly for a few years, until the trolls, and when he found out, he shut it down.
Idk maybe it was his idea and he only shut it down when it became completely uncontrollable idk.
But I don’t know, and definitely haven’t seen enough evidence to say he’s a bad person.
Edit yeah
One of the main controversies of Renner’s app was its marketing. The app’s developers, Escapex, specialized in and grew famous for making similar monetized apps for celebrities.[13][8] The marketing campaign was based on direct contact with Renner, whose chances were increased with regular payments for “stars”,[17] although very few encounters seemed to happen with Renner himself.[18] The multiple problems with the app led the CEO of Escapex, Sephi Shapira, to call the app a “freak situation”, and added “Am I concerned about this? Not more than I’m concerned about 50 other things I’m dealing with as a startup company.”[17] Along with the marketing failures, the app was seen as misrepresenting itself as seemingly erotic with some advertisements featuring Renner suggestively staring at the camera, despite the actual app being initially considered safe for children.[14]
I think is more a case of Renner being taken advantage of by some asshole company than him straight up being an asshole
I read the wiki and a few articles about it a while ago when I saw the video that brought attention to the app: https://youtu.be/od7P-RhLjLQ
I don’t think the wiki or any articles I read seem misleading. I understand that he did not personally set any of this up, but having a separate app where people pay money to interact with you seems like shitty behavior for a celeb who is already beyond rich. I’m not saying it’s as bad as a crypto rug pull, but it’s giving similar energy. Clearly there are some people who were getting something out of the app, but it feels kind of predatory. If he wanted super fans to keep up with him he can just send out a newsletter. I get notifications when certain people I follow are touring near me and it doesn’t require a special app. I would probably feel differently if he put a lot of effort into engaging with fans there but it would still feel tainted with the fact that some people are spending money with the hope he’ll notice them.
It’s like having a patreon with no actual perks. If Taylor swift or timothee chalamet made a patreon and you could maybe get some nebulous benefit from joining I would think that’s also shitty behavior. It’s not illegal, and I understand that in theory the app was free, but the conceit is to make money off these parasocial relationships with you and it’s just gross imho. At least with merch or patreon subs you know what you’re paying for. I highly doubt he was even the one responding to most super fans seeing as most posts were copy/pasted from other social media platforms. He probably had some doing it for him.
It’s basically an onlyfans/patreon that he didn’t have to give someone else a cut of…
If people want to give you money, let them…
Google and apple certainly take a cut. Bigger than patreon and onlyfans btw.
what kind of logic is that? the guy’s rich and successful, he doesn’t need to take money from people who suck at managing their impulses.
And how do you think rich people get rich
how’s that relevant? he’s already rich, he doesn’t need more money
Capitalism is a shitty broken system built on exploitation, I would really like it to collapse.
That said, if you know the rules of the game, play.
That screams narcissism for sure
Season 1 is all about the character being completely worn out so now he fits the role even more
Depends on how much his character was supposed appear.
If it was just cameos, with Kate Bishop/Hailee Steinfeld getting most of the screentime, then of course.
How can it be Hawkeye without … you know … Hawkeye?
Thank you.
Alan Alda’s still alive.
Now that would be really terrific. Wow what a swell casting there. Just top notch.
Kyyate… Beeshop
Are you just repeating her name so she knows you know it?
Maybe they’re speculating only half the people will watch it, based on previous trends. I sure didn’t watch the first one.
I liked it a lot. It was very reminiscent of the Matt Fraction run on Hawkeye in the mid 2010s, which was incredible.
But yeah, nobody watches most Marvel shows.
Good for him, and he’s just asking for his original salary. Pay this man!👏👏👏 Isn’t Hawkeye supposed to be one of the better Marvel Disney+ shows anyway? Watch them come crawling back
I didn’t watch it but my understanding is that Hawkeye passed on the torch and he probably was going to be more in the background instead of the star. I don’t know the exact parameters but I imagine it would not be as much screen time or physically demanding scenes. Fuck Disney for being a shitty company but I’m not sure if this is 100% attributable to that.
they got in trouble for trying to use AI to replace the actors, they are probably trying constructive dismissal type of thing to get them to leave the industry, and disney can say, we cant find any actors, so we are forced to use AI
How/when did they get in trouble? I didn’t hear anything about it and nothing came up immediately after a search. It seems like a huge jump to say that they are going to be forced out of the industry. Additionally, he was still offered millions of dollars. Plenty of people would have jumped at the opportunity.
AI is definitely going to be a problem for the industry but your comment seems like a stretch.
It was campy. Not great, but not terrible. Formulaic but overall okay.
I feel like The Marvels (I think?) ties the ending of Hawkeye with the rest of the MCU.
The best thing about Hawkeye was the Florence Pough (sp?) character. Just pure comedy.
Lmaooo, no. It’s probably the most forgettable one.
Oof, I dunno, so many are very forgettable
WandaVision was good. Loki was great. Falcon & TWS was good. Ms Marvel was good. Moon Knight was decent. Agatha All Along was good. What If…? had two decent seasons.
She-Hulk was meh. Hawkeye was meh. Echo was meh.
Secret Invasion was terrible.
Never watched Werewolf By Night.
Werewolf by night is in the good group…
I don’t know man, the competition of shitty marvel tv shows is pretty stiff.
Semi-off-topic, but a reminder that Disney (and Disney+ in particular) is on the Boycott, Divest, Sanction list.
I saw season one as kind of passing the torch anyway. If he didn’t appear in season two, the show would be just fine without him.
I’m a Hawkeye fan, not a Renner fan.
Oh no… rich person gets offered to be paid millions instead of being paid millions…
On the other hand there’s its always good to fight for an artist when the opponent is Disney.
I never understand this mindset. It reminds me of people who complain about NFL players all while the owners rake in billions. Like why y’all mad at the labor? Be mad at the owner.
I can dislike both.
You only dislike the labor because they make a lot of money. But in practice they are in a similar situation to yourself or any other worker. (unless you don’t work, then forgive me)
I don’t think you will appreciate it if your employer suddenly decided to pay you half your wage out of the blue. And any kind of reduction of workload offered is usually a false promise… would you keep quiet?
I understand your point, milk the corpos for all you can. But they aren’t exactly philanthropists anyway, they take their private jets, hoard their wealth etc.
Renner even had an app to take more money off fans, so fuck him. I can judge each one individually. Some are just blinded by the fame and fortune, so they are not much better than the shareholders anyway.
Think worker vs shareholder, not just rich vs poor. Never take a job for less, always negotiate, or you’re only leaving more money for the owners
Also, plenty of these people will take lower paying jobs, just not from Disney and not from a multi billion dollar franchise.
not if your already famous, and already been paid a certain amount before, you wouldnt want to get paid less. maybe if your starting out as an actor and need some spotlight.
Because it’s not about money, it’s about respect.
Respect has a price huh? Also there are no details why he got paid more. Does he olny appear half the time? Is he just a cameo? No surley he’s just a poor multi millionaire with his own social media app
When was the last time your employer told you in your interview that your job was going to be X and Y responsibility only, and it was actually true throughout the job? it’s difficult to trust your boss not to overload you after cutting your pay.
Hawkeye only gets a cameo on Hawkeye Season Two?
Which button is Doubt on this thing again? Ah here it is: X.
Exactly
Hopefully there’s no season 2 of hawkeye, the first one was shite. I tried really hard but couldn’t get past the first 2 episodes
His ‘joke’ about a ‘fictional character’ being a slut tells me all I need to know about him. He is insufferable and everything I have seen him in was made worse by his presence.
What’s wrong with being a slut? I’m a slut.
As The Gonz wrote about 35 years ago,“She’s a slut, and you want to be.” Truer words have never been penned.
I don’t know the guy, but I thought his acting was top-notch. I’m sorry you know him so well.
Which character, etc?
They were asked about Black Widow being with Hawkeye or Captain America and ending up with Hulk and Renner jokingly responds “she’s a slut” and Chris Evans laughed and it was nothing. A joke, a silly joke, am obvious one, it was nothing.
Bourne Legacy is the best Bourne film. He might be insufferable. I don’t know they guy.
