The strawman is that you assume children would ever be in their home.
I bold something there for you. Also I get you are prob some libertarian from the midwest, but please dont take some statistical anomaly and make a generalization. Besides if you are from the midwest you know that people without kids and gun often drink in combination. Are you going to argue that that is responsible gun ownership too?
I am being reasonable here. Please to ruin lemmy with bad faith takes.
Is English not your first language? ‘Their’ in that context refers to the person you were replying to: SupraMario.
And as far as Midwesterners and more specifically my political beliefs; while we Minnesotans have a proud tradition of independence, we’re not all Jesse Ventura. Our most popular party is the DFL, which is somewhat distinct from the national Democrat party, and we’ve supported (D) presidential candidates more than any other state. I’m more in the camp of ‘If you go far enough left you get the guns back’. Every gun club I’ve been a member of has had strong membership support of safe handling and storage, but what that looks like differs based on multiple factors such as whether there are children in the household. Not drinking before or during shooting is often in the club’s bylaws.
Look man, I often see the “fire extinguisher” talking point from people trying to excuse not securing their guns, and its almost always a libertarian type person. I have stuck to my point that fire arms need to be stored correctly. I am not sure why you are so aggressive about defending those who do not. Children or not we have way to lax a culture around gun safety.
And to go back to the fire extinguisher point a bit. It is meaningless. We don’t prevent fires with them. By the time we need a fire extinguisher so many other things have gone wrong.
Even more strawman arguments. Read back through the comments - I never said anything about fire extinguishers, and am not defending anyone who is lax on safety.
Most enthusiasts are very serious about safety but know that the implementation details are situational.
Accidents are also very rare. If we want to try to reduce the small percentage who don’t take safety seriously, we should start early and make a safety course part of everyone’s schooling.
Maybe you should go back and read my point. I’m saying people are too lax on safety and we should make excuses for them. If you want to add something to that then do so. Otherwise you’re talking past me and not making a point.
Idk but i don’t think fires are all that common, and we have plenty of other mechanisms to prevent fires from even happening.
OTOH, guns being stored incorrectly is for sure far higher than any fire death you are trying to make equivalent.
I am not strawmanning you here, but i am calling you out for being disingenuous. Like I said:
Please don’t do backflips to justify irresponsible gun owners. That is disgusting.
The strawman is that you assume children would ever be in their home. If the guns are behind locked doors away from children, they’re secured.
Why would that be a wrong assumption? I am not sure what you are getting at here.
Really? You shouldn’t have to put in much effort to realize that not every adult has children or has family with children.
I bold something there for you. Also I get you are prob some libertarian from the midwest, but please dont take some statistical anomaly and make a generalization. Besides if you are from the midwest you know that people without kids and gun often drink in combination. Are you going to argue that that is responsible gun ownership too?
I am being reasonable here. Please to ruin lemmy with bad faith takes.
Is English not your first language? ‘Their’ in that context refers to the person you were replying to: SupraMario.
And as far as Midwesterners and more specifically my political beliefs; while we Minnesotans have a proud tradition of independence, we’re not all Jesse Ventura. Our most popular party is the DFL, which is somewhat distinct from the national Democrat party, and we’ve supported (D) presidential candidates more than any other state. I’m more in the camp of ‘If you go far enough left you get the guns back’. Every gun club I’ve been a member of has had strong membership support of safe handling and storage, but what that looks like differs based on multiple factors such as whether there are children in the household. Not drinking before or during shooting is often in the club’s bylaws.
Look man, I often see the “fire extinguisher” talking point from people trying to excuse not securing their guns, and its almost always a libertarian type person. I have stuck to my point that fire arms need to be stored correctly. I am not sure why you are so aggressive about defending those who do not. Children or not we have way to lax a culture around gun safety.
And to go back to the fire extinguisher point a bit. It is meaningless. We don’t prevent fires with them. By the time we need a fire extinguisher so many other things have gone wrong.
Even more strawman arguments. Read back through the comments - I never said anything about fire extinguishers, and am not defending anyone who is lax on safety.
Most enthusiasts are very serious about safety but know that the implementation details are situational.
Accidents are also very rare. If we want to try to reduce the small percentage who don’t take safety seriously, we should start early and make a safety course part of everyone’s schooling.
Maybe you should go back and read my point. I’m saying people are too lax on safety and we should make excuses for them. If you want to add something to that then do so. Otherwise you’re talking past me and not making a point.