After the programme was agreed, however, a clash arose between Marx and his French supporters arose over the purpose of the minimum section. Whereas Marx saw this as a practical means of agitation around demands that were achievable within the framework of capitalism, Guesde took a very different view: “Discounting the possibility of obtaining these reforms from the bourgeoisie, Guesde regarded them not as a practical programme of struggle, but simply … as bait with which to lure the workers from Radicalism.” The rejection of these reforms would, Guesde believed, “free the proletariat of its last reformist illusions and convince it of the impossibility of avoiding a workers ’89.” Accusing Guesde and Lafargue of “revolutionary phrase-mongering” and of denying the value of reformist struggles, Marx made his famous remark that, if their politics represented Marxism, “ce qu’il y a de certain c’est que moi, je ne suis pas Marxiste” (“what is certain is that I myself am not a Marxist”).
Kind of crazy how so much is still to do really, like the last point
Abolition of all indirect taxes and transformation of all direct taxes into a progressive tax on incomes over 3,000 francs. Suppression of all inheritance on a collateral line [8] and of all direct inheritance over 20,000 francs.
They accuse you of their bogeyman trigger words whether or not you advertise it or are even actually doing the bogeyman thing in the first place. I fail to see how this would address that. The words need to be rehabilitated, not avoided, so they lose the knee jerk reaction that the right wing counts on.
I’ve been saying that for decades but a lot of marxists are more into the aesthetics of marxism than the actual goals.
More into Groucho than Karl?
Then again, Groucho did say something like ‘I would never want to join a club that would admit me as a member.’, so perhaps not.
I mean, IIRC Karl claimed to not be a marxist. Guess it runs in the family.
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Kind of crazy how so much is still to do really, like the last point
I wonder how much that is in today’s money
Sort of a selection bias.
“The only Marxists I ever see are the ones advertising themselves” implies you might not be looking very hard
Funny how you quoted them twice yet neither one is actually a quote
They accuse you of their bogeyman trigger words whether or not you advertise it or are even actually doing the bogeyman thing in the first place. I fail to see how this would address that. The words need to be rehabilitated, not avoided, so they lose the knee jerk reaction that the right wing counts on.
I’d be a Marxist if only I had the money they always seem to have laying around.