After just seeing so many articles of people being sad I really just have to say the pope was an asshole. You don’t even have to do good research to see that this guy and his administration was still hiding pedophiles, hating gay people, and generally being a jerk all while pretending he was better than everyone else. The only thing he did was say he loved everyone and be a nice guy on camera which literally anyone could pretend to do. Meanwhile his administration was just more of the same shit. Just creating some counterpoint to the nonsense narrative I keep seeing.

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    He was probably the best pope in a while. Definitely more open and tolerant than normal.

    It’s not much to beat the normal here, but it was a step in the right direction if nothing else. Not enough of course, but what could we really expect?

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    I would argue that, within the scope of the Vatican, he, by himself was maybe as good a person as can exist within an organization at that level.

    The trick is that the rest of the machinations and people in the Vatican are absolutely not good people and they clearly worked to “reign him in” (to their views) as his health worsened.

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    The thing with popes who disagree with the administration is, they die quite easily.

    The pope was not against the principles of the church. He was quite revolutionary, though. He challenged the „priests cannot marry“ principle. He revoked church protection in case of sexual accusations. For church this is like rocking the system.

    The admin still hid felons, the pope weakened the protection significantly, though.

    I think he did the best he could. He was a kind man who actually tried to solve a lot of the injustice of the church. Far away from being an asshole.

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      He said atheists go to heaven, provided they are “good people”. Something his handlers tried to immediately walk back.

      Within the shithole that is religion, that is pretty damn revolutionary for the leader of a religion to say.

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    I didn’t hate the guy or anything, but I have to say, I don’t understand all the tears over the Pope. It’s a lifetime appointment generally held by really old men. Of course they’re going to die… just wait, there will be another one shortly.

    Heck, Francis is the 3rd to die this century alone.

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      Yeah, I say that every time someone tells me that they had a grandparent die. I’m like, “yeah man, that’s what grandparents do. They’re all old and stuff. Of course they die. Grow up.”

      No idea why I don’t get invited to parties any more.

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      I can’t begin to understand the religious-minded, but I do know from there being a lot of Catholics in my area that he was well-regarded by many, and people mourn his passing the same people mourn influential figures in other aspects of life they care about. Regardless of the ups and downs of the church, I am under the impression that he was pushing it further in the right direction, at least, and people are sympathetic to that, so I feel that is still worth acknowledging despite whatever ongoing negatives come with any religion.

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    You’re forgetting that moment where he equated abortion doctors to hired assassins.

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      They’re not forgetting. There’s a whole bunch of people that buy into the catholic church’s public relations department. There’s also a ton of manipulated social media, by the public relations department of the catholic church.

      The pope was just another rich piece of shit. If someone doesn’t think so, there is something wrong with that person.