If your story is well written, a plot point that is expected but well told is a good story. If a murder mystery gives the audience the clues for Whodunit, and they solve it before the detective has, that’s a good movie.
If the movie gives the clues then changed it because someone in the crowd solved it, now it’s a nonsense plot twist that has no merit.
Reddit was a disaster for media analysis and criticism. It’s just CinemaSins the website.
Isn’t Glass Onion more straightforward than Knives Out was? The latter actually changed scenes between the first and second time we saw them, so it was harder to put the clues together. Glass Onion didn’t do that and played with an open hand from the start.
We must have seen different films or I’m massively misremembering. Glass onion actively hid scenes so you couldn’t piece things together yourself, only showing those scenes when they wanted the big reveal.
Yes, it hid scenes (though arguably not ones that are necessary to figure out who the killer is). But Knives Out literally changed scenes, the ones we saw the first time weren’t the real scenes. That seems much worse?
Honestly, I’m not exactly sure what you mean by changed scenes. Do you have any examples? I’ve seen it 3 times and don’t really have any knowledge of this.
Do you mean the flashbacks that are different based on who’s telling the story? Because those are clues in themselves.
Yes, some flashback scenes literally have multiple versions. E.g. the one where the old guy goes down the stairs, and his son tells him to go back up - it’s not just cut differently, the person going down the stairs is literally a different person.
This is much worse from a classical “whodunnit” perspective. I’m not saying it’s bad! But Knives Out broke the genre conventions harder than Glass Onion did.
If your story is well written, a plot point that is expected but well told is a good story. If a murder mystery gives the audience the clues for Whodunit, and they solve it before the detective has, that’s a good movie.
If the movie gives the clues then changed it because someone in the crowd solved it, now it’s a nonsense plot twist that has no merit.
Reddit was a disaster for media analysis and criticism. It’s just CinemaSins the website.
And this is why Glass Onion was a much worse movie compared to Knives Out.
Isn’t Glass Onion more straightforward than Knives Out was? The latter actually changed scenes between the first and second time we saw them, so it was harder to put the clues together. Glass Onion didn’t do that and played with an open hand from the start.
We must have seen different films or I’m massively misremembering. Glass onion actively hid scenes so you couldn’t piece things together yourself, only showing those scenes when they wanted the big reveal.
Yes, it hid scenes (though arguably not ones that are necessary to figure out who the killer is). But Knives Out literally changed scenes, the ones we saw the first time weren’t the real scenes. That seems much worse?
Honestly, I’m not exactly sure what you mean by changed scenes. Do you have any examples? I’ve seen it 3 times and don’t really have any knowledge of this.
Do you mean the flashbacks that are different based on who’s telling the story? Because those are clues in themselves.
Yes, some flashback scenes literally have multiple versions. E.g. the one where the old guy goes down the stairs, and his son tells him to go back up - it’s not just cut differently, the person going down the stairs is literally a different person.
This is much worse from a classical “whodunnit” perspective. I’m not saying it’s bad! But Knives Out broke the genre conventions harder than Glass Onion did.