I’m gonna get real with you folks, we’ve had way too many of these posts recently. I’ve been reflecting on this topic a lot the past few days. For me personally, I couldn’t care less about my gender identity. But just because that’s true for me, doesn’t make that true for everyone.

The beauty of the fediverse is that if you don’t like the way a particular instance or community is moderated you can simply choose another to hang out on, or create your own.

Blajah has made it pretty clear by now they will ban anyone who argues against the validity of xenogenders, in order to create a safe space for those folks. That’s fair enough imo.

Safe spaces should be respected, and Blajah’s admins/mods do not deserve abuse for creating and maintaining those spaces.

I can completely understand why Blajah users don’t want to have to constantly argue with external users about the validity of their chosen identities. Bans are one way Blajah has decided to manage that problem so that their users can experience lemmy in relative peace and safety. While it is a blunt tool and I have my reservations about preemptive bans, there are not many other options for @ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone, other than defederation from most instances. That would be a terrible outcome for the fediverse as a whole.

In order to help Blajah to maintain their safe space, I would like to propose, if @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com agrees and community sentiment is positive:

  • that we no longer accept posts about this topic in this community; and - we also remove previous posts on this topic from the community.

That’s all folks, have at 'er.

Edit: thanks for all your feedback and comments. I think it’s clear that the vast majority of people are fed up with this topic coming up repeatedly.

Summarizing the feedback, I’d say most folks would prefer to retain previous posts for the sake of posterity, and to serve as an example of why we don’t want anymore of these posts. I’m happy to take that on board. For those folks saying I’m a PTB for intervening in this way, I’ll just remind you that I haven’t made any arbitrary mod decisions, and I’ve consulted with db0 and the community as a whole before taking any mod actions.

I think the way to move forward with this is to acknowledge that there’s a bunch of queer and straight people who have a problem with xenogenders. Personally, I think that’s a valid perspective and shouldn’t sanctioned on our instance. But for Blajah, they’ve drawn a line in the sand over this and that’s ok too. Our instance won’t be blocking anyone over their opinions on the topic, especially in this community where free discussion is necessary and encouraged. But safe spaces should be respected.

A lot of folks mentioned I should more more specific about the “no more posts about Blajah’s mod policies” rather than making it a sweeping and overly broad statement. I think that’s good feedback. I will amend this to "No more posts in this community about the validity or otherwise of neopronouns, xenogenders, and bans originating from Blajah about gatekeeping or transphobia. This is in recognition of Blajah’s safe space policy. You are of course free to discuss those topics outside of this community.

Note that this decision isn’t about ideological gatekeeping, its about reducing the workload for our own mods and admins in trying to moderate this community, and to avoid iterating over the same old topics again and again.

Blajah isn’t getting a “free pass” over YPTB posts - if you feel they are power tripping over other issues then feel free to make a post here. But if it’s a post questioning the validity of xenogenders or about Blajah bans for gatekeeping then that will no longer be allowed here. Those folks deserve a safe space on Lemmy, even if it’s not a mainstream opinion.

For those folks who feel aggrieved about being accused of “transphobia” or “gatekeeping” over their views on this topic, I completely understand just how hurtful it can be to be unfairly (imo) accused in this way. I’ve been in the same position, and I also found it difficult to deal with. I want those folks to know that our instance does not require you to support xenogenders in order to participate in our instance. However we do require that you use preferred pronouns whenever they are specified. That’s been a longstanding instance policy on dbzer0.

Thank everyone for your feedback.

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    Everything involving this Blahaj slapfight has been BPR, and anyone continuing to rehash it over here is just BPR^2

    Like, seriously, this should’ve ended the minute the obvious troll provoking everyone got banned. Nothing productive will ever come of continuing to talk about it now, all sides need to let it go.

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        real af

        Oh cool, so you weren’t one of the people saying everyone who left 196 was a transphobe?

        Oh, wait, you’re literally one of the people who fucking started this.

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          jokes aside, i have been consistently defending you on blahaj for months explicitly that i don’t think you’re a transphobe and moreso just a bad ally. i get some pushback but i think my points get heard. :)

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            jokes aside, i have been consistently defending you on blahaj for months explicitly that i don’t think you’re a transphobe and moreso just a bad ally. i get some pushback but i think my points get heard. :)

            It’s cute that you still talk about me there.

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              oh yikes no i didn’t say frequently i said consistently. maybe 2 times. but both times i did!

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                oh yikes no i didn’t say frequently i said consistently. maybe 2 times. but both times i did!

                Typical of your level of literacy. I didn’t say frequently.

                It’s cute that you still talk about me there.

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                  just making sure you didn’t get the wrong idea! frankly we dgaf about you

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                    frankly we dgaf about you

                    Thanks for the special post for me in 196 though, I just saw it.

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                    Man, Pug hates you a lot. You’re done nothing but defend Pug and he hates you.

                    Meanwhile he has a reason to actually dislike me and he keeps egging me on like a debate bro.

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                    just making sure you didn’t get the wrong idea!

                    Yes, that’s definitely how it comes off as, certainly not you attempting to correct a mistake that wasn’t there.

                    frankly we dgaf about you

                    Good. Feel free to continue to not talk about me.

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            So you think the idea of leaving this all behind is real, but you still love bringing it up too much, unprovoked, to be ‘real’.

            Okay.

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                learn to take a joke idk

                “ha ha I was just joking” is your go-to every time you get called out.

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                  it’s my go to every time i was making a joke that went over your head, akshually

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                    it’s my go to every time i was making a joke that went over your head, akshually

                    lmao.

                    Tone doesn’t paper over the utter disingenuity of all your arguments.