Uh, is that what I want? Drag is incidental to this at most.
Then why are you still crying about this online drama after months? It’s like if I constantly complained about an internet argument on reddit that happened in October of 2024. “I’m not bothered by it, I just gotta keep posting about how much I’m not bothered by it!”
Again, Drag is incidental to this at most. If you want to make this an issue of my personal feelings, it would be far more correct to say it’s about my personal feelings on Blahaj and how the admins handled the entire situation. I would argue that my personal feelings on the situation certainly make me more acerbic, but that the fundamental argument is still about questions of principle, and I don’t appreciate when I get tarred as a transphobe for daring to have any sort of disagreement and leaving Blahaj because of it.
“Sure I don’t listen to the trans admin, I don’t listen to the trans people across several instances, I don’t listen to any trans people telling me I’m wrong, but I’m actually an ally!”
Hey guess what, I have disagreed with people and I’m not called a transphobe when I do. Or racist. Or sexist. Or other things. This just reminds me of “It’s odd how da liburals won’t let me say something, they always call me racist when I call out Obummer!”
What the fuck are you talking about?
The fact that Ada and others have given you time to learn from mistakes? Does time not exist to you and that’s why you think complaining about one user for weeks is considered normal? Am I mistaking you for another PugJesus from lemmy.world who has had this issue pop up before, not just with Drag?
Man, all of this effort you’re going through to defend an indefensible position is insanity. The idea that no gender can ever be questioned under any circumstances is not an affirmation of anyone’s gender; it is a denial that gender means anything at all.
I’m personally an AMAB masc enby. I present masculine, but I am curious about if I am trans or not. I don’t know if I am perfect for talking about gender, but lemme try to also state something. I have trans friends, enby friends, and agender friends. To all of them, how they express their self is important. That is often gender, sometime it’s a lack of gender.
I have a good friend who’s name is Bugs, pronouns are it/its. I personally have a difficult time wrapping my tongue around it in casual conversation without personally plotting the sentence ahead of time. Bugs has said that it enjoys the fact that it/its makes it feel inhumane, because it never felt human. It relates to Data from Star Trek, non-human but made in the image of humans. The fact that Bugs wants the it/its pronouns is good enough for me. I don’t go “Well why should I do that? Give me proof you actually want that.”
I don’t personally think gender is a hard stance on anything, the common ideas of gender expression/identity were “solidified” in the Victorian era. There’s been dozens of non-western gender identities that don’t fit into or conform into our idea of masculine/feminine/non-binary. For some trans people, being hyper-feminine is important. For some trans people, being hyper-masculine is important. Pastels and pink, flannel and grilling.
But I also have a trans masculine friend who is exclusively He/him, named himself Incubus, and has a feminine voice, enjoys pastels and pink, browses Tumblr, does a lot of “feminine” things but doesn’t give a shit that it is, due to those things make him happy.
I personally don’t care what someone does if it makes them happy unless it involves a non-consenting adult. Drag involved non-consenting adults by harassing people. Drag is a massive fucking asshole. I will not defend Drag harassing others, and you can check my profile. But someone’s actions aren’t an excuse to just go “Well I’ve decided that since X thing bothers me, I don’t wanna do the X thing.”
I don’t understand why you just refuse to let go of Drag, and this in general. Again, Pug, you are a smart person. I don’t consider you an enemy to me. I consider you to have faults, like I probably do and I’m not aware of them. My friends have faults, both cis and trans and enby. But I do expect adults to eventually let go of online drama that doesn’t affect them. As you yourself have said you had little to no interaction with Drag.
You can let it go, not even learning better. Just move on. You aren’t.
Then why are you still crying about this online drama after months? It’s like if I constantly complained about an internet argument on reddit that happened in October of 2024. “I’m not bothered by it, I just gotta keep posting about how much I’m not bothered by it!”
“Why are you upset over being called a transphobe?? Why did you have to defend yourself??”
Uh.
Might be because I don’t feel that denying the existence of dragons is transphobic, and I deeply resent being labeled as such?
“Sure I don’t listen to the trans admin, I don’t listen to the trans people across several instances, I don’t listen to any trans people telling me I’m wrong, but I’m actually an ally!”
Okay, so what about the trans people across several instances who agree with me? They don’t matter?
Only ‘your side’ matters. Identity is just a bludgeon for that.
Hey guess what, I have disagreed with people and I’m not called a transphobe when I do.
Careful, you denying chairgender might put you next on the list.
The fact that Ada and others have given you time to learn from mistakes? Does time not exist to you and that’s why you think complaining about one user for weeks is considered normal? Am I mistaking you for another PugJesus from lemmy.world who has had this issue pop up before, not just with Drag?
You must be, because I can only think of two times when Drag has come up for me at all - once when this whole shebang went down, and once when we had a chance encounter in a thread a month or two ago. Gender is a topic I very rarely discuss.
I have a good friend who’s name is Bugs, pronouns are it/its. I personally have a difficult time wrapping my tongue around it in casual conversation without personally plotting the sentence ahead of time. Bugs has said that it enjoys the fact that it/its makes it feel inhumane, because it never felt human. It relates to Data from Star Trek, non-human but made in the image of humans. The fact that Bugs wants the it/its pronouns is good enough for me. I don’t go “Well why should I do that? Give me proof you actually want that.”
Okay? Like I said. I used Drag’s pronouns. So that clearly isn’t the issue you want to read into this.
I don’t personally think gender is a hard stance on anything, the common ideas of gender expression/identity were “solidified” in the Victorian era. There’s been dozens of non-western gender identities that don’t fit into or conform into our idea of masculine/feminine/non-binary. For some trans people, being hyper-feminine is important. For some trans people, being hyper-masculine is important. Pastels and pink, flannel and grilling.
But I also have a trans masculine friend who is exclusively He/him, named himself Incubus, and has a feminine voice, enjoys pastels and pink, browses Tumblr, does a lot of “feminine” things but doesn’t give a shit that it is, due to those things make him happy.
Okay, good for all of those people? I enjoy playing with dolls, I hate filth (in the literal, not moral sense), I have no mechanical aptitude, and I browsed Tumblr religiously until the Great Porn Ban. I didn’t actually consume any porn on Tumblr - I actually used to rib a friend for ‘tasteful’ nudes coming up on his feed - but I felt obliged to quit in solidarity.
Gender presentation is not what is being argued here, nor whether Drag was too masculine or feminine by the standards of Western society to fit as any particular gender.
I don’t understand why you just refuse to let go of Drag, and this in general. Again, Pug, you are a smart person. I don’t consider you an enemy to me. I consider you to have faults, like I probably do and I’m not aware of them. My friends have faults, both cis and trans and enby. But I do expect adults to eventually let go of online drama that doesn’t affect them. As you yourself have said you had little to no interaction with Drag.
I guess I’m not allowed to defend myself being called a transphobe in the present day. I just have to lie there and take it. RIP.
I don’t consider you an enemy, for what it’s worth. I recognize your username. I’ve seen you around. But this is a ridiculous hill.
Then why are you still crying about this online drama after months? It’s like if I constantly complained about an internet argument on reddit that happened in October of 2024. “I’m not bothered by it, I just gotta keep posting about how much I’m not bothered by it!”
“Sure I don’t listen to the trans admin, I don’t listen to the trans people across several instances, I don’t listen to any trans people telling me I’m wrong, but I’m actually an ally!”
Hey guess what, I have disagreed with people and I’m not called a transphobe when I do. Or racist. Or sexist. Or other things. This just reminds me of “It’s odd how da liburals won’t let me say something, they always call me racist when I call out Obummer!”
The fact that Ada and others have given you time to learn from mistakes? Does time not exist to you and that’s why you think complaining about one user for weeks is considered normal? Am I mistaking you for another PugJesus from lemmy.world who has had this issue pop up before, not just with Drag?
I’m personally an AMAB masc enby. I present masculine, but I am curious about if I am trans or not. I don’t know if I am perfect for talking about gender, but lemme try to also state something. I have trans friends, enby friends, and agender friends. To all of them, how they express their self is important. That is often gender, sometime it’s a lack of gender.
I have a good friend who’s name is Bugs, pronouns are it/its. I personally have a difficult time wrapping my tongue around it in casual conversation without personally plotting the sentence ahead of time. Bugs has said that it enjoys the fact that it/its makes it feel inhumane, because it never felt human. It relates to Data from Star Trek, non-human but made in the image of humans. The fact that Bugs wants the it/its pronouns is good enough for me. I don’t go “Well why should I do that? Give me proof you actually want that.”
I don’t personally think gender is a hard stance on anything, the common ideas of gender expression/identity were “solidified” in the Victorian era. There’s been dozens of non-western gender identities that don’t fit into or conform into our idea of masculine/feminine/non-binary. For some trans people, being hyper-feminine is important. For some trans people, being hyper-masculine is important. Pastels and pink, flannel and grilling.
But I also have a trans masculine friend who is exclusively He/him, named himself Incubus, and has a feminine voice, enjoys pastels and pink, browses Tumblr, does a lot of “feminine” things but doesn’t give a shit that it is, due to those things make him happy.
I personally don’t care what someone does if it makes them happy unless it involves a non-consenting adult. Drag involved non-consenting adults by harassing people. Drag is a massive fucking asshole. I will not defend Drag harassing others, and you can check my profile. But someone’s actions aren’t an excuse to just go “Well I’ve decided that since X thing bothers me, I don’t wanna do the X thing.”
I don’t understand why you just refuse to let go of Drag, and this in general. Again, Pug, you are a smart person. I don’t consider you an enemy to me. I consider you to have faults, like I probably do and I’m not aware of them. My friends have faults, both cis and trans and enby. But I do expect adults to eventually let go of online drama that doesn’t affect them. As you yourself have said you had little to no interaction with Drag.
You can let it go, not even learning better. Just move on. You aren’t.
“Why are you upset over being called a transphobe?? Why did you have to defend yourself??”
Uh.
Might be because I don’t feel that denying the existence of dragons is transphobic, and I deeply resent being labeled as such?
Okay, so what about the trans people across several instances who agree with me? They don’t matter?
Only ‘your side’ matters. Identity is just a bludgeon for that.
Careful, you denying chairgender might put you next on the list.
You must be, because I can only think of two times when Drag has come up for me at all - once when this whole shebang went down, and once when we had a chance encounter in a thread a month or two ago. Gender is a topic I very rarely discuss.
Okay? Like I said. I used Drag’s pronouns. So that clearly isn’t the issue you want to read into this.
Okay, good for all of those people? I enjoy playing with dolls, I hate filth (in the literal, not moral sense), I have no mechanical aptitude, and I browsed Tumblr religiously until the Great Porn Ban. I didn’t actually consume any porn on Tumblr - I actually used to rib a friend for ‘tasteful’ nudes coming up on his feed - but I felt obliged to quit in solidarity.
Gender presentation is not what is being argued here, nor whether Drag was too masculine or feminine by the standards of Western society to fit as any particular gender.
I guess I’m not allowed to defend myself being called a transphobe in the present day. I just have to lie there and take it. RIP.
I don’t consider you an enemy, for what it’s worth. I recognize your username. I’ve seen you around. But this is a ridiculous hill.