• Iceman@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    So if you voted for Trump for his economic polices or yada yada you didn’t also vote for the camps? Harris was a continuation of Biden, lip serivice to peace and unprecidented support to the genocide. Any vote on the ballot was a vote for genocide, if you voted, you voted for it.

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      3 days ago

      The people who fed these talking points to Americans were Russian bot farms. Harris is not a life long Zionist. Biden is.

      Biden had single-handedly been undermining US foreign policy since he was vice president. He undercut the US position in a private call with Benjamin Netanyahu when the US was trying to leverage Israel into behaving. edit: typo

      https://jewishcurrents.org/joe-bidens-alarming-record-on-israel

      At this crucial juncture, Biden undercut Obama again. After Clinton’s ultimatum, the vice president—who was still traveling in the Middle East—contacted Netanyahu himself. In their book Our Separate Ways: The Struggle for the Future of the U.S.-Israel Alliance, Dana Allin and Steve Simon describe Biden’s discussion with the Israeli prime minister as “a conciliatory call” that had the effect of “undercutting Clinton and reinforcing Israel’s generally dismissive approach to the administration’s periodically tough messaging.” An administration official remembers being “astonished” upon seeing the transcript of the conversation: “Biden completely undercut the secretary of state and gave Bibi a strong indication that whatever was being planned in Washington was hotheadedness and he could defuse it when he got back.” When Clinton saw the transcript, the official recalls, she “realized she’d been thrown under the bus.”

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          A neoliberal Israeli online newspaper is of course going to spin the neoliberal Democrat in a positive light. So what?

          It doesn’t change the fact that Kamala Harris was the right choice in 2024. Or that your argument is based on talking points from a Russian bot farm.

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            What’s passed? Is in the past. I voted for Kamala.

            Going forward? We’re in the time to actually put pressure on the Democrats NOW for a platform worth voting for.

            Now. Can we get some support for Zohran Mamdani, America’s Next Mayor, and harbinger of a New Democratic Party? Or are you too busy arguing with brick walls that they “shoulda, coulda, woulda” ?

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              I’m going to keep arguing against accelerationism.

              This idea that we should only support democratic socialists like Mamdani and Bernie is ridiculous and is definitively accelerationist.

              Accelerationist ideas need to be challenged and refuted wherever they show up.

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                This idea that we should only support democratic socialists like Mamdani and Bernie is ridiculous and is definitively accelerationist.

                Are you familiar with the concept of “kayfabe” from American pro-wrestling? I need the Corporate Democrats to fear ALL of us walking away so they don’t do… Exactly what they’re doing to Mamdani anyway. 😓 that didn’t work.

                But when it comes down to it? After the primaries, we still need to hold our nose and think of the Climate and all people first, for any even-marginal slowdown. Results matter.

                With that out of the way? The Democrats have a chance to actually be a part of real change, real success, and to build a real future for the party and country. But they’re refusing. It is maddening.

                Did you see the way Walz alienated the indigenous voters? I’m deeply curious about what response you get from Palestinian-Americans grieving their families. To absolve Democrats of their inability to message coherently when we need it most? Is simply unacceptable.

                Some part of me wishes for a Local that could run as a Republican as a DSA member, and get entrenched that way. I would knock on so many doors for that person. The Parties have switched before.

                But this is the time to pressure the Democrats for a platform worth voting for in 2026 and 2028 - what are you doing? This isn’t maximizing their success.