• SevenSkalls [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Oh hey, good on the Daily Show. I’ve always thought they were kinda lib, but they’re better than almost all the mainstream media on this apparently.

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    The oh so terribly easy to ridicule mass murdering extremist. You can see the similarities between him, Trump, Putin, Modi, etc.

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          You’re lumping dissimilar things into the same category. I know this comes from the western media narratives, but it’s not an analysis.

          So, I’ll go ahead and bite here.

          No offense; waking up to the truth about what this empire is challenges a lot of things we’ve been told, but have no meaningful understanding of, especially with regard to history. The media narratives you’re implying are purposefully reductionist to keep you angry and misinformed at the enemies of the empire.

          I’m sure you realize at this point that you’re being lied to by these media ghouls. It’s probably going to mean confronting some core concepts that will likely make you uncomfortable. It sucks to admit when we’re wrong, but we’re going to need a better analysis.

          I totally agree that “mass murdering extremist” applies to Netanyahu, but bear in mind Israel is a US proxy state. Israel is the rabid dog the US empire has used to threaten, extort and attack its neighbors for over 50 years. In 1983, the US Secretary of State said “Israel is the largest American aircraft carrier in the world that cannot be sunk, does not carry even one American soldier, and is located in a critical region for American national security.” Israel is a regional hegemon of a larger imperialist project that has threatened the world for over a hundred years, back to around the time of the Spanish-American war, when we first see it emerge as a global hegemon. You can say Israel is genocidal and ethno-supremecist down to it’s very fiber, and that due to the 77 year apartheid colonial nature of this thing warping peoples brains into dehumanizing everyone other than themselves. Israel does nothing that is not the will of it’s imperial master. The whole point of the chaos that’s playing out, is to destabilize regional governments such that the US may carry out regime change operations, thus expanding the empire’s resources and wealth. This is called imperialism.

          Modi has some commonality with Natanyahu with regard to etho-supremecy (hindu nationalism in Modi’s case). Kashmir should be considered the second largest concentration camp on earth, after Gaza. Modi is a fascist, and has a close personal, economic and defense relationship with Israel. But he shares a different geopolitical relationship int he larger picture and has different motives and goals than Netanyahu. Because America always aligns itself with fascists (essentially anti-communism), the US is trying to gain influence and use him as a battering ram against China, but Modi and the BJP are far more self-interested and do not with to be a client state; they want to be seen as an equal power to the US. I think it’s unproductive to lump Netanyahu and Modi together with such a phrase.

          I probably don’t need to distinguish Trump that much, but it’s enough to say he’s a degenerate and narcissistic bourgeois demagogue. The capacity for these current events to become a mass murder are not unique or originate with him. The unfolding of these events is an almost exact replay of the second illegal US invasion of Iraq. It’s so similar it’s crazy. Check first season of Blowback for a good primer.

          As it pertains to Iran, this whole thing began around 1953 when the US couped Iran. I can get into that if you’re interested. But this is a continuous policy and chain of events that really kicked off under the US Obama years, with the “Pivot To Asia”. Operation Timber-Sycamore targeted Syria and Iran, but failed to do so in the expected time. What we’re seeing now is that the US was finally able to use ISIS to overthrow Syria and, building on that momentum, have decided to attack and coup Iran again. This whole scenario is a play-by-play of the casus belli that the US manufactured for Iraq 2. If millions die, and they might, it’s not something you can exclusively blame any single US President for. Leaders tend to embody the moment, rather than act as omnipotent shapers. That’s never the case and it’s a pop-history myth. The atrocities of the US and it’s rabid dog are the nature of the machinery of this vicious military empire, and the identity politics of figureheads are there to deflect us from a deeper analysis of the system that produced these conditions.

          The real misfit here is Putin, who I am not ideologically aligned with at all, but is certainly not the figure the western media portrays him to be. His reputation owes almost entirely to his prevention of the US overthrowing Assad during the regime change phase of aforementioned Operation Timer-Sycamore. Basically “fighting ISIS” was a ploy. The US and Israel were backing ISIS groups to destabilize the region and create the Syrian Civil War which, so far, has lasted 14 years, I think. Syria had a deal with Russia for air defenses (mostly to protect against Israel), this meant Russian Anti-Air and Russian fighter pilots were in Syria. The US was bombing Syria under the cover of fighting “terrorism” and Russia was part of the operation because of the defense agreement. Russia ended up preventing Assad’s overthrow, because Putin was like ‘umm, hey, wait, aren’t we just here fighting ISIS, guys?’

          It blew the US State Department’s whole regime change operation, which was being run by Clinton at the time. Clinton had just murdered our boy in Libya and thrown it into chaos, and she didn’t take kindly to failing is. She famously wanted to set up a “no fly zone” in Syria to shoot down Russian jets, which would have triggered WW3. Clinton was pissed about this and has been trying to kill, smear and overthrow Putin ever since.

          After that Russia became a target for regime change, but owing to… you know, that whole nuclear war thing, couldn’t attack them directly, so the US did what it has done since the end of the Viet Nam War: Use proxies instead. So the US did 2 color revolutions in Ukraine. First time was the “Orange Revolution”, which didn’t stick, then they tried again and succeeded in the 2014 Maidan Coup, by backing Ukrainian neo-nazi groups like Right Sector, Azov, OUN-B and other ultranationalists to create chaos and destabilize the Ukrainian Government. The nazi-groups were setting the city on fire and killing people in the streets, while the US state department coordinated it. They wanted Yanukovych out because he was too friendly with Russia and not willing to sell out the country to IMF loans. Well the US got it and installed a puppet regime full of the nazis that did the violence. It was a US-backed coup right on Russia’s doorstep.

          Russia intervened to prevent a foreign country from taking control of Ukraine, which led to the signing of the Minsk Accords, which required Ukraine to de-nazify and prevent the state from becoming NATO proxy (which is another nazi military group). Ukraine broke all the agreements. These nazi’s, like Zionists, have a made up identity. They generally worship a nazi collaborator named Stepan Bandera. The defeat of Nazi Germany by the Soviet Union is something they’ve never stopped being mad about. They want to kill all Russians because of that. So these Ukrainian Nazi groups started a terrorist campaign on Russian speakers in the country, especially in the east. Everyone is basically Russian in Ukraine (white people draw all the maps) and these “Nationalists” were actually more or less Polish (Nazi Germany called them Galecians). The Ukrainian government ignored the violence that was being carried out by these groups. The government also banned the Russian language, which was pretty much the only thing people spoke, and mandated that only Ukrainian can be spoken. The “Ukrainian language” was very niche and mostly only known by older people in rural areas. Russian was banned from being taught in schools, banned from TV and radio, etc. They made it a crime to own any kind of Soviet stuff, which most people did because their grandparents fought in WW2 (notably AGAINST the nazis).

          The Ukranazis, would go into neighborhoods in eastern Ukraine, where they and snipe people from rooftops, plant car bombs, shell hospitals and markets, raid homes, steal, harass, torture, use suicide drones on civilians. In their view they were doing this to drive out ethnic Russians. It was pretty fucked. Many of those people targeted had lived there for generations.

          When Poroshenko’s term expired in 2019 people where sick of the nazis and violence in the country. Zeleneskyy actually ran on being a peace candidate who would stop the violence, so people were really excited to turn out for him. Zelenskyy won because the people wanted peace, but he couldnt really deliver because he was just a CIA puppet. He banned leftist opposition parties and took control of all the media in the country. The CIA set up bases all over the country and were busy setting up fortifications for the war that was planned, and the nazi paramilitary groups famously weren’t taking orders from the puppet regime, but from the CIA themselves.

          People weren’t happy and the violence was escalating into progroms, ethnic cleansing and raids into cross border raids. Crimea held a referendum to rejoin the Russian Federation that succeeded in 2014, the DRP and LPR wanted to break away and do the same. On top of that the US and their EU client states want to shove Ukraine into NATO, so that America can place nuclear missiles right on the Russian border. Doing so was an existential threat and a breach of the agreement. Russia tried for peace multiple times and the US tore up the agreement and pushed Ukraine into war. Zelly declared martial law and locked the exit door on Ukraine. His term expired 2 years ago. He’s an unelected dictator of a police state that is feeding people into a meat grinder.

          Putin is a liberal, not a fascist, communist or baby eater. He’s trying to prevent Russia from getting captured by a US regime change operation.

          Hope that helps. Stay safe

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      That their (real and serious) criminality is used to deflect from the wretched systems that enabled monsters at every turn since the establishment of their respective governments?

      *Maybe India wasn’t as much like that at one point. Idk almost anything about its history after the East India Company left up until the last ~15 years. I’m sure some comrade will be helpful in denouncing my naivety, I just want to be transparent.

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        Indian family, still in India have gone from Ghanhi like to being very pro-Modi. This includes tendency to extremist Hinuism which as ever ignores peaceful coexistence with hating Muslims, Christians and Jews, anything at all from Pakistan and surprisingly pro-Trump as Modi really likes him too. Frighteningly MAGA like when we visit.

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          I appreciate your information.

          Perhaps I wasn’t clear enough: What I was saying is that Israel, the US, and the Russian Federation are all abominations and have been since their respective days of founding. I know it’s pretty bad in India lately (e.g. I know a little bit about Kashmir, Hindutvas, etc.) but I don’t know enough to make a claim about the history of the Republic of India from its inception in the same way as I can for the other three.

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            Ah, apologies, I’m reading in between jobs coming in and not paying sufficient attention. There is that huge difference as you say.