Ah, sweet. I believe Finland joined Nazis after the winter war. Fascinatingly enough, during the winter war, the country that was on the side of Nazis was … Soviet Union!
I’m still fascinated that soviets managed to play a victim card in a war that they started themselves.
I mean, it had non-aggression pact right in the name. They did cooperate in splitting up Poland, but given the history, rhetoric and eventual actions of both sides you’d be hard pressed to seriously argue they were of a side.
Yup this, nazis were fighting soviets so basically in the eyes of the finns, they were liberated, same with the majority of the baltics.
Soviets were a much bigger problem for eastern europe than nazis. But nazis ended up being just as bad.
Germans were historically decent rulers while russians were always terrible. Besides the countries recently had won their independence that russia made a legal contract to uphonor. Few years later they invaded and annexed them and instantly started committing atrocities.
There was nobody fighting russians but the nazis and nazis lied they would gurantee independence once the war is over.
Speaking as a baltic guy, for us the best rulers were swedes. We have been ruled by swedes, danes, russians, germans and poles. And we only have one saying here “good old swedish times”.
Yes swedish golden age was a thing but swedes haven’t been in their “crimes against humanity and invasions” phase for a while, so I didnt feel like they were relevant to mention.
Inb4 some ,ml user claiming they kill trillions every day via capitalism or something
I am not discussing Finland specifically, but this point needs to be raised. How was the USSR any better than the Nazis?
They Soviets organized the Holodomor, mass starvation of million of Ukrainians.
I believe Stalin killed more soviet civilians than the Nazis.
The Soviet Union (especially pre-Khrushev) was an atrocious entity. This includes both Stalin, Lenin and the people who ruled in between. They are monsters.
The Soviets even collaborated with Nazis in the first two years of WW2.
The double-genocide “theory” is commonly pushed by right wing eastern European governments to cover up their own crimes of collaborating and participating in the German occupation and the Holocaust.
No, you’re just trying to deny the Holodomor and mass killings by Stalin. Stalin was no better than Hitler, perhaps even worse.
Believe it or not, you can condemn killing of Jews (and Poles), while also recognizing that the USSR was a brutal, genocidal shithole. And it’s not solely Stalin, Lenin and his thugs were just as bad.
No one is buying your white-washing of the Soviet created genocide of Ukrainians.
The winter war was largely independent as I understand. Finland took all aid since they got invaded. Nazi Germany had given Finland to the USSR zone of influence.
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Ah, sweet. I believe Finland joined Nazis after the winter war. Fascinatingly enough, during the winter war, the country that was on the side of Nazis was … Soviet Union!
I’m still fascinated that soviets managed to play a victim card in a war that they started themselves.
I mean, it had non-aggression pact right in the name. They did cooperate in splitting up Poland, but given the history, rhetoric and eventual actions of both sides you’d be hard pressed to seriously argue they were of a side.
From Wikipedia
Yes, it was in the title, but what really mattered was the “you take this part, I take the other”.
While both were planning to attack the other when the moment is right. Nazis were better at planning. What a surprise.
Yeah, I did address Poland. The agreement fell apart before much more sphering could happen. I rest my case, basically.
You know that was a disaster for them, right? The Soviets had their own clusterfucks going on, but they won and it wasn’t close.
Is this a national pride thing for you? Why even go there otherwise?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_support_of_Finland_in_the_Winter_War
Finland stood pretty much alone against Russia at least compared to the support Ukraine has gotten and has.
Yup this, nazis were fighting soviets so basically in the eyes of the finns, they were liberated, same with the majority of the baltics. Soviets were a much bigger problem for eastern europe than nazis. But nazis ended up being just as bad.
Germans were historically decent rulers while russians were always terrible. Besides the countries recently had won their independence that russia made a legal contract to uphonor. Few years later they invaded and annexed them and instantly started committing atrocities.
There was nobody fighting russians but the nazis and nazis lied they would gurantee independence once the war is over.
Speaking as a baltic guy, for us the best rulers were swedes. We have been ruled by swedes, danes, russians, germans and poles. And we only have one saying here “good old swedish times”.
Yes swedish golden age was a thing but swedes haven’t been in their “crimes against humanity and invasions” phase for a while, so I didnt feel like they were relevant to mention.
Inb4 some ,ml user claiming they kill trillions every day via capitalism or something
In Poland we do learn about the Swedish Deluge, but I think these days people mostly think of swedes in terms of meatballs and furniture.
They did have their callback to Viking times, that’s for sure.
I am not discussing Finland specifically, but this point needs to be raised. How was the USSR any better than the Nazis?
They Soviets organized the Holodomor, mass starvation of million of Ukrainians.
I believe Stalin killed more soviet civilians than the Nazis.
The Soviet Union (especially pre-Khrushev) was an atrocious entity. This includes both Stalin, Lenin and the people who ruled in between. They are monsters.
The Soviets even collaborated with Nazis in the first two years of WW2.
The double-genocide “theory” is commonly pushed by right wing eastern European governments to cover up their own crimes of collaborating and participating in the German occupation and the Holocaust.
This rightfully makes a lot of Jews very angry https://defendinghistory.com/red-brown-commissions/
No, you’re just trying to deny the Holodomor and mass killings by Stalin. Stalin was no better than Hitler, perhaps even worse.
Believe it or not, you can condemn killing of Jews (and Poles), while also recognizing that the USSR was a brutal, genocidal shithole. And it’s not solely Stalin, Lenin and his thugs were just as bad.
No one is buying your white-washing of the Soviet created genocide of Ukrainians.
Good thing it’s not the 1940’s anymore. Just dodged that bullet.
The 2040s are just around the corner.
Ha, just kidding, www3 will be over by then!
World will be over by then*
It was after winter war which happened in 1939. Finland was allied with nazi Germany from 1940 to 1944
The winter war was largely independent as I understand. Finland took all aid since they got invaded. Nazi Germany had given Finland to the USSR zone of influence.
What is your point?
no