Hi all, thank you for reading my post. modlod link

In the 196 sub an OP was asking for advice on how to change their friends opinions which they disapprove of, because they were trying to warn them off of ‘the tankie triad’ and their friend didn’t have any issues with what they were seeing and was in fact subscribed to a number of instance already.

Clocks got banned first after suggesting that the OP try to be a genuine friend and try to find some common cause in real life rather than alienating people over abstract geopolitical factionalism:

> The original post feels like bait, but here is an authentic response. — Maybe genuinely be their friend instead of alienating them based on political flavoring. Perhaps you can be better working together to help others in your locality or communities than squandering over geopolitical matters. Swallow your frustrations, being annoyed is a part of being in a community. You can move on.

I raised the issue that censoring earnest advice as ‘tankie apologia’ and preemtively writing off any common cause/ isolating people is no way to win people over either as friends or comrades.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if ‘genuinely be their friend’ is ‘tankie apologia’ to be censored, I’m not sure you’re going to be very successful convincing anyone of anything in the real world.

yeah that’s the context, I was just laughing because:

  1. only Lemmy users with an axe to grind call them that
  2. it sounds really silly, like they’re a nemesis to dr venture.
  3. I’m supposed to be the melodramatic one yet every day I get one-upped 😔

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I’m not here to tell them how to run their comm, my position is that this is way more draconian than anything I’ve run into in any of ‘the tankie triad’. The same groups of people loudly complaining about censorship on ‘tankie’ run instances don’t seem to have a problem enforcing vague/arbitrary vibes based censorship in their spaces.

  • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.mlOP
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    2 days ago

    there are TONS of Ukranian anarchists on the front lines, and they’re there quite willingly.

    They may be, but there’s plenty more people who don’t share that conviction drafted into service under martial law. Why are they obligated to sacrifice themselves? It’s been years, the mobilization is incredibly unpopular at this point.

    Um. That’s a… Statement. It’s an objectively false statement, but it’s a statement.

    Technically correct but more so because warfare has existed long before diplomacy/state politics. In the modern context I think it holds up though.

    When it comes to Russia invading ukraine, the root cause political-diplomatic failure stems from the dissolution of the USSR without ever incorporating Russia into the security agreements. To destabilize a government to the point of collapse like that, then swoop in with the shock doctrine looting only created the conditions for someone like Putin to consolidate control. If they had continued to let Russia join NATO after the fall of the USSR and took a less adversarial approach overall there would almost certainly be considerably fewer dead people right now. It would probably be an austerity-crippled reactionary hellhole. The thing is our weapons industry needs to have constant geopolitical tension to justify its own existence. A politics centering global collaboration and reconciliation is incompatible with endless war profits.

    If you think that not capitulating to a dictatorship is a failure, well, that’s a bad-faith claim.

    I don’t think you understood my statement, not really sure what this line means either.