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In the 196 sub an OP was asking for advice on how to change their friends opinions which they disapprove of, because they were trying to warn them off of ‘the tankie triad’ and their friend didn’t have any issues with what they were seeing and was in fact subscribed to a number of instance already.

Clocks got banned first after suggesting that the OP try to be a genuine friend and try to find some common cause in real life rather than alienating people over abstract geopolitical factionalism:

> The original post feels like bait, but here is an authentic response. — Maybe genuinely be their friend instead of alienating them based on political flavoring. Perhaps you can be better working together to help others in your locality or communities than squandering over geopolitical matters. Swallow your frustrations, being annoyed is a part of being in a community. You can move on.

I raised the issue that censoring earnest advice as ‘tankie apologia’ and preemtively writing off any common cause/ isolating people is no way to win people over either as friends or comrades.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if ‘genuinely be their friend’ is ‘tankie apologia’ to be censored, I’m not sure you’re going to be very successful convincing anyone of anything in the real world.

yeah that’s the context, I was just laughing because:

  1. only Lemmy users with an axe to grind call them that
  2. it sounds really silly, like they’re a nemesis to dr venture.
  3. I’m supposed to be the melodramatic one yet every day I get one-upped 😔

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I’m not here to tell them how to run their comm, my position is that this is way more draconian than anything I’ve run into in any of ‘the tankie triad’. The same groups of people loudly complaining about censorship on ‘tankie’ run instances don’t seem to have a problem enforcing vague/arbitrary vibes based censorship in their spaces.

  • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.mlOP
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    1 day ago

    Tankies have no class consciousness.

    I’ve seen a lot of evil opinions from .ml users (the ones that are tankies, not all of them obv.

    can you clarify what “evil opinions” mean besides something you disagree with

    I read the exchange, I don’t see what really was so objectionable (pun intended), Marxists bringing up on authority is practically a meme, but say you’re actually trying to be a ‘libertarian socialist’, are you going to be identifying any attempts at socialist revolution as authoritarian until there’s one with 100% consensus ahead of time? what about the factory owners who would rather die than give up their class?

    Nothing abstract about not tolerating auths.

    If you’re advocating ending real life friendships over geopolitical disagreements that neither person are in a position to affect instead of building solidarity, you’re doing the work for capitalists and fascists for them. Whatever ideology you claim to have will remain relegated to online as a result.

    • WillStealYourUsername@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      1 day ago

      Where have I stated that I’m against revolutions? I’m against dictatorship and oligarchy.

      Anyways, you’ve made it clear your not an anarchist despite all your claims. You can’t seriously see nothing objectionable with the stuff OBJECTIONS is saying

      • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.mlOP
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        1 day ago

        Where have I stated that I’m against revolutions? I’m against dictatorship and oligarchy.

        okay, but you realize that revolutions don’t generally happen with complete consensus, and to the former oligarch you are going to be the authoritarian tyrant demanding their stuff. How do you square that circle?

        Anyways, you’ve made it clear your not an anarchist despite all your claims.

        Back to the vibes based judging, I can tell it’s a comfortable reflex for you. I’m absolutely an anarchist, it’s pretty rude to tell other people what they believe, and I’m not sure you would appreciate if it happened in reverse.

        I did mention that by monomaniacally going after an increasingly vague definition of ‘tankie’ you’re doing the work of fascists and capitalists for them. I still wouldn’t be comfortable assuming you’re not really an anarchist just because I disagree with your behavior, I would just say that you’re misguided.

        I’m not interested in continuing a back and forth if it’s going to just be bad faith declarations, so I’ll disengage if you’re planning to continue that

        • WillStealYourUsername@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          1 day ago

          You and objections have done plenty of vibes based accusations yourself. I’m apparently both a capitalist, an authoritarian, against revolutions, not “woke”, etc etc. You’re both equally arguing in bad faith. Didn’t even mention the warning in your post. You came into our community and defended your auth ideology, got warned, then continued and got banned. Can’t complain when it’s in the rules and you got warned.

          You are right that there is no point in continuing this.

          • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.mlOP
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            1 day ago

            I’m not sure you took the meaning from what I was saying. If you’re saying I’m accusing you of being capitalist from that last statement, you’re mistaken, I said you’re doing their work for them.

            I apologize for not including the DM in the OP, I don’t see what information it added.

            If you are for revolutions then I would like to know your response to my first paragraph here