I agree that Ukraine would be a good addition to the EU (I hope that both the war and the EU join process will finish), but this meme is just about the EU not being a federation yet, so there’s no reason to add the Ukrainian flag now.
I’m not sure on the federation thing (I just don’t understand how it would work for the EU), but I’m 100% sure when Russia would become a set of independent states (and not a federation it pretends it is), global terrorism would just go incredibly less, within one day, literally. They contribute to global chaos quite a lot. Especially backed by PRC and the US (administration) being a Russian puppet.
What do you Mean? It won’t work without federalisation. With a federal EU, we would have a united military force, united economics, united international politics. Actually having a say in the global world as it is changing/collapsing.
This is what canada, Mexico and australia is envy at us right now… We have the chance to be a 3rd superpower, instead of 27 sepperate nations, competing on who can suck trumps Dick the most.
I’m not quite sure where a federation would differ from what we already have? Would it be a unified codex of laws? Unified economy? Unified military?
I’m not convinced unified laws will ever work due to cultural and environmental differences. e.g. Sweden isn’t necessarily going to agree to Italy’s ideas on trafic laws, or incarceration methos.
If it’s a unified economy, how do we differentiate between the different needs? Do we all adobt Poland’s health care system? If we don’t, and just continues doing healthcare however we want, is it fair if Belgium needs more money per person for healthcare then Spain in the unified economy?
I can sorta see a unified military work, but that might very well just be because a complete lack of knowledge, and there may be some big differences around.
I think we are still way too different in culture to just accept anything more than what we have right now. It would just lead to massive divides like we see in USA, where massive cultural differences and differences in values are literally tearing the country apart.
They want what the US has. Each state has their own laws for things like traffic and healthcare, and the federal government is supposed to deal with issues that affect multiple or every state, like common defence and interstate commerce.
I don’t know if you are American, but the states are very different, economically and culturally. You can lump them together to form regions but they are essentially a few little countries stitched together.
I don’t challenge that point, all I mean is that I have no idea how this is going to work, meaning details of that. Europe is united already, isn’t it? With the exception of the Russian puppets like Orban or Fico. That’s why I see little actual difference. The EU is already the superpower, isn’t it?
No. Unlike the US or China, the EU is made up of very different countries. Some things can’t be fixed easily (i.e. different languages) but others can and should be (single military, unified laws, etc.)
I think this is too easy to say. We can create our own federal system, thqt makes all countries have a vote. But ofc, the biggest communities/populations should count for more. I mean, wouldn’t be fair to compare 6 million People voting power (denmark) to 80mil+ germany.
I seriously don’t see this as a problem. We have to be democratic about this, and trust the process.
So when the US trained and armed terrorists all over the world under every previous administration, was it still due to orders to the Kremlin? Or did the Kremlin order the Trump administration to do the thing we’ve been doing for a century?
Putin: Agent Trump, we need you to genocide Muslims, overthrow governments in South America, prepare for war with communists, and oppress brown people back home.
I agree that Ukraine would be a good addition to the EU (I hope that both the war and the EU join process will finish), but this meme is just about the EU not being a federation yet, so there’s no reason to add the Ukrainian flag now.
I’m not sure on the federation thing (I just don’t understand how it would work for the EU), but I’m 100% sure when Russia would become a set of independent states (and not a federation it pretends it is), global terrorism would just go incredibly less, within one day, literally. They contribute to global chaos quite a lot. Especially backed by PRC and the US (administration) being a Russian puppet.
What do you Mean? It won’t work without federalisation. With a federal EU, we would have a united military force, united economics, united international politics. Actually having a say in the global world as it is changing/collapsing. This is what canada, Mexico and australia is envy at us right now… We have the chance to be a 3rd superpower, instead of 27 sepperate nations, competing on who can suck trumps Dick the most.
I’m not quite sure where a federation would differ from what we already have? Would it be a unified codex of laws? Unified economy? Unified military?
I’m not convinced unified laws will ever work due to cultural and environmental differences. e.g. Sweden isn’t necessarily going to agree to Italy’s ideas on trafic laws, or incarceration methos.
If it’s a unified economy, how do we differentiate between the different needs? Do we all adobt Poland’s health care system? If we don’t, and just continues doing healthcare however we want, is it fair if Belgium needs more money per person for healthcare then Spain in the unified economy?
I can sorta see a unified military work, but that might very well just be because a complete lack of knowledge, and there may be some big differences around.
I think we are still way too different in culture to just accept anything more than what we have right now. It would just lead to massive divides like we see in USA, where massive cultural differences and differences in values are literally tearing the country apart.
Yiu think the current veto system works?
That’s precisely what I meant. Thanks for putting that in words!
They want what the US has. Each state has their own laws for things like traffic and healthcare, and the federal government is supposed to deal with issues that affect multiple or every state, like common defence and interstate commerce.
The US is a bunch of murican states glued together.
The EU is a bunch of very different countries glued together.
We are not the same.
I don’t know if you are American, but the states are very different, economically and culturally. You can lump them together to form regions but they are essentially a few little countries stitched together.
I don’t challenge that point, all I mean is that I have no idea how this is going to work, meaning details of that. Europe is united already, isn’t it? With the exception of the Russian puppets like Orban or Fico. That’s why I see little actual difference. The EU is already the superpower, isn’t it?
No. Unlike the US or China, the EU is made up of very different countries. Some things can’t be fixed easily (i.e. different languages) but others can and should be (single military, unified laws, etc.)
Even more centralized control by France and Germany. No thanks.
Nothing against better cooperation though.
I think this is too easy to say. We can create our own federal system, thqt makes all countries have a vote. But ofc, the biggest communities/populations should count for more. I mean, wouldn’t be fair to compare 6 million People voting power (denmark) to 80mil+ germany. I seriously don’t see this as a problem. We have to be democratic about this, and trust the process.
Screwing over the smaller ones.
No thanks.
I’m kinda curious, why not?
So when the US trained and armed terrorists all over the world under every previous administration, was it still due to orders to the Kremlin? Or did the Kremlin order the Trump administration to do the thing we’ve been doing for a century?
Putin: Agent Trump, we need you to genocide Muslims, overthrow governments in South America, prepare for war with communists, and oppress brown people back home.
Trump: Don’t tell me how to do my fucking job.