I’ll just post my initial comment in the entirety since what happens is entirely predicted by my first comment.

The topic was trans athletes and, like with any hot button political issues, there are rigidly defined ‘sides’ that come with a list of things that you must profess.

These things are simply declared as not being open to discussion and if you challenge that declaration, ye power trippin’ bastards rear their ugly head. This dogma is unhealthy in any community and the people who enforce it through social pressure, cyber bullying and mod powers are actively harmful.

As to demonstrate my point I continued with the conversation, responding in good faith to the people who attempted a conversation, right up until I was mass banned (which only took a few hours).

The first comment is here if you want to see the entire conversation or think I’m hiding some secret transphobic rants in my comment history: https://lemmy.world/comment/15496985

The Initial Comment

This is an issue that exposes some of the more dogmatic people in the movement.

It is as if there is a list of positions that you’re required to believe and if you disagree with any one of them you’re labeled a heretic (transphobic, in this case).

Sports and the fairness of competition is a complex issue even when you’re just talking about cisgender competitors:

Can a person use performance enhancing drugs to train and then get clean enough to test positive for a competition? It seems unfair, to me, for the other competitors if this is the case.

It isn’t an unfair statement to say that the physical performance of cisgender men is higher than that of cisgender women. This is why we have separate competitions for men and women.

The issue isn’t as simple as a choice between “Transgender people should be free, without question, to compete in any competition” or “Transgender people should not be allowed to compete as their gender”

Framing it in such a black and white manner is harmful behavior, no matter which position you take.

We need to understand how people’s bodies are affected and what advantages of disadvantages are obtained and then base the rule changes on objective data and not appeals to emotion or ideological bullying.

Fabricated Pretexts

The last thing I said on the topic (bold added), as there were already commenters insinuating that I’m secretly a transphobe rather than engaging in discussion, was:

Obviously the people arguing that trans people should never compete are ignorant, I’m not supporting that position. From the point of view of fairness in competition there has to be an objective answer that’s backed by objective tests.

Simply declaring that trans people are beyond reproach and that any attempts to quantify biological advantage are unfairly discriminatory and anyone asking these questions is a bigot isn’t helpful.

I include this because included in the reasons for the bans is: “Transphobia attempting to make excuses for trans exclusion from sports.” This is completely misrepresenting what I said and what I believe in order to create a pretext for a ban.

And the power trippin’ bastards come in with the sweeping community bans ([email protected], really?): https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=2&actionType=ModBanFromCommunity&userId=12926811

Conclusion

This kind of thinking is harmful to any community.

Labeling disagreement as bigotry is nonsense. Refusing to engage on a topic and using filters and bans to hide from people who don’t perfectly align with your ideas is not how you make allies or educate people.

The people that do this are responsible for creating the impression that your communities are hostile and made up of extremists. Attacking allies because they don’t fall in line without question is a blunder.

People with moderator powers should be held to a higher standard of responsibility and fabricating reasons for bans and mislabeling people as bigots is the ultimate abdication of that responsibility. These people are not interested in helping a community thrive, they simply want to be the ones with the power to strike out at people that they want to hurt regardless of the damage that it causes.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk (except you, [email protected], I pray you never learn how to exit vim)

  • FauxLiving@lemmy.worldOP
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    The down votes are because its been pretty clearly explained to you that you engaged in what is considered “sea lioning” which is very hard to differentiate from someone who is actually ignorant.

    It has been pretty clearly explained, by me, that I’m was not engaging in sea lioning, which is the done intentionally in bad faith. I was engaging in the conversation in good faith.

    People on Lemmy in these communities are not your personal AI, they have no obligation to educate you on things you could easily research yourself. If you truly cared about not being ignorant, you’d take this as a moment of self reflection/self crit to educate yourself on a topic you clearly are ignorant about.

    As I understand social media, it exists primary to facilitate conversations between people.

    I was having a discussion about an issue that I see as a problem: the kneejerk intolerance of people and their tendency to treat people, who don’t know and/or agree with everything that they’re “supposed to”, with outright hostility and bullying.

    Kind of like how you, assuming that I was sea lioning and engaging in bad faith discussion, are taking this hostile and condescending tone. Do you ever consider that you may be wrong about a person and are actually just acting like an asshole because of your misconceptions?

    You’re free to think I’m ignorant and to know the facts which could answer my questions. You’re right that you have no obligation to share you knowledge or do anything, for anybody.

    But, if you confuse your knowledge for someone else’s ignorance and also think that this difference in knowledge makes you above them. Then you’re immature.

    If you use this feeling of superiority as an excuse to behave in a rude and condescending manner to a stranger that you don’t know. Then you’re an asshole.

    If you’re also the moderator of a bunch of communities (or you create some for this purpose) and use those moderator powers to spam the stranger’s modlog with libelous “reasons”. Then you’re abusing your moderation powers.

    I have no obligation to educate you on things that you could easily research yourself, but I do it anyway because that’s how conversations work. If you truly care about not appearing ignorant, you’d take this as a moment of self reflection.

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      Lol you’re continuing to be obtuse and intentionally miss the point because you have an axe to grind.

      Plenty of people have engaged with you here in an attempt to meet you at your level and help you understand why you got banned, and you’ve lashed out at all of them and dug in deeper ignoring their points to continue raging about your personal grievances.

      Take a hint and do some self reflection. The problem is you and you are your own problem.

      I’ll stop wasting my time with you now.