they also think just because the animal isn’t being killed that peta wouldnt be mad at it. they think peta thinks it kills them to take their wool ☠️☠️

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    There are cows, chicken, and sheep that can survive without humans just fine, right? Or is that all just selective breeding to a point of non-survivability? Astonishing if so, I’ve never considered this before.

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      Cows and chickens yeah, I don’t think there’s any reason they can’t survive without humans. But they’re still unhealthy because of selective breeding (same as pugs). But if you’re asking if there are healthy “natural/wild” versions of those animals, yes, but they’re not called cows or chickens. The wild cow was called the aurochs and it’s extinct, and the wild chicken is the red junglefowl.

      There are a bunch of different species of wild sheep still around I think.

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        Chickens have been bred to lay far more eggs than they normally would, don’t know how that’d effect their survival in the wild, but it probably wouldn’t help. That’s without going into the abominations that have been bred just for meat.

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        Many “varieties” of chickens have been bred to grow so large that they cannot stand anymore. Other have been bred to lay so many eggs that their bodies steal calcium from their bones in order to create the eggshells.

        Many “varieties” of dairy cows produce so much milk that they endure extreme pain and mastitis when lactating if they aren’t taken care of.

        Animal agriculture is a endless nightmare. We do need to take care of those animals who have only been born because of humans wanting their bodies and the products thereof. We owe them that much.

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      Animals likely domesticated themselves early in human history (such as wolves eating trash and evolving into modern dogs), but then were selectively bred at various intervals. Using dogs again as an example, some breeds have only been around for decades while others have been around for millennia.

      Most farm animals have been bred to rely on humans in order to prevent them from wandering off. They can’t feed themselves, for example, so they stay near humans. If all animal products ceased tomorrow and we had all these domesticated animals, some of them would be capable of being let back into the wild and some would have to stay in captivity.

      You also have the other problem: they become invasive species if you just unleash them into the wild. A cow population run amok could end up doing something like eating all the grass in an area, preventing deer or bison from getting enough to eat. And that’s just one example. Like who knows what harm could be done to bee or bird populations?

      Humans have really fucked up the environment and then fucked up the solutions. The obvious thing to do is like what other posters said, which is turn farms into sanctuaries and let them die out while returning them to their place of origin when possible. You won’t see this done under capitalism, however, because the cost of such an endeavor isn’t viable when there’s profits to be made.