Miele was sold to a private equity firm and they’ve been reputation-fracking, so their recent stuff is supposed to be pretty mediocre but priced as if it’s top-end.
The cheapest LG refrigerators that are 2 door freezer on top are pretty well regarded. Their more expensive refrigerators have linear compressors that aren’t a great design to begin with and an even worse design for the refrigerant used in the USA compared to the refrigerant they were designed for in Korea. (As I understand it)
For those like me who actually didn’t know:
Initial Public Offering. It’s the first time (initial) the company sells shares (offering) on public stock exchanges. Aka: they went public.
In addition, in a well functioning economy, companies only go public when they want to raise a lot of new money, because they have ambitious plans that can’t be achieved with their current sources of funding. Now, really, that’s bullshit. Companies mostly go public because the insiders want to cash out. Going public allows them to sell their shares for actual money. But, still, in theory the company should be going public with a story about how they’re going to use all the new funds they’re raising, otherwise they (in theory) won’t be able to con people into investing.
The end result of going public is that the company is no longer in the control of the founders or even the early investors. Now it has a bunch of public investors who don’t care about the company culture, don’t care about the relationships with the employees or the customers. They just want to see a 15% year-over-year growth in the value of their stocks. That means that pretty often once a company goes public its products or services start to suffer, because you can make more money by squeezing suppliers, finding the cheapest parts, outsourcing jobs, etc.
It’s kind of crazy that like heating air is not perfectly mastered in every stove, heating and pumping water in every dishwasher and laundry machine etc. It’s very simple stuff after all.
How fuckin cheap du you have to be to make a non perfect machine 🤷🏻♀️?!
the hot happens in the pot and not inside the stove
The pot is sitting on the stove. And induction involves electromagnetism, which means it involves metal pots and pans, and metal loops of wire to induce current in that cookware. Metal parts conduct heat very well. So, induction stoves don’t get quite as hot as conventional stoves. But, they still get very hot because they have a hot metal pot sitting on them.
Also, while induction stoves don’t get quite as hot as other kinds of stoves, they involve large currents and large amounts of magnetism. That means both stress on the electrical parts, and mechanical stress from the magnets.
Overall, I’d guess that an induction stove is probably going to have fewer things that can go wrong with it than a gas stove, a glass-top stove or an olde fashioned electrical resistance stove. But, it isn’t like an LED light or something that should last decades because there’s no moving parts, no heat, no big currents, etc.
My burner igniters aren’t electronic-control and they still failed in a less than decade old stove that was not heavily used at all (I live alone and use the stove, not even the specific burners that failed, maaaaaaaaybe monthly)
They just make their parts cheap overall. Induction isn’t enshittification-proof. If anything it’s more susceptible, being entirely electronic.
That said I’d trade my gas stove for induction if I could, even with enshittification.
I bought a Bosch dishwasher because of this reputation, and I hate it.
The drying function is a joke. Everything plastic comes out with water still all over it. My Maytag (which admittedly died) used to dry everything perfectly.
Also the racks on the Bosch are poorly organized. It’s always a challenge to find places to fit everything.
Miele is the GOAT. Love our Miele appliances. All of them are now 15 years old and not a single problem. Buying the 10 year warranty was a waste. Buy once, cry once. Only appliances I would consider are Miele and Bosch Benchmark.
As I’ve heard it:
and Mielemake the best stoves and fridgesAnd yes, they are all very expensive. But I want to get me a Speed Queen so bad.
Miele was sold to a private equity firm and they’ve been reputation-fracking, so their recent stuff is supposed to be pretty mediocre but priced as if it’s top-end.Do you have a source for that? Their wiki page says that they are still family owned.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miele
I do not - I’ve heard it so many times from so many places that I didn’t bother checking it before repeating it, but it looks like it was wrong.
Damn. I hate to hear that. Guess I’ll scratch them off my list.
Cafe (spinoff from GE) does a pretty good job with stoves. AFAIK they are still pretty well respected.
The brands to stay away from at all costs are LG and Samsung.
As I posted a little lower down:
If the company has ever made a TV or a cell phone I’m not buying their appliance.
Samsung burned me once….
The cheapest LG refrigerators that are 2 door freezer on top are pretty well regarded. Their more expensive refrigerators have linear compressors that aren’t a great design to begin with and an even worse design for the refrigerant used in the USA compared to the refrigerant they were designed for in Korea. (As I understand it)
LG is actually pretty highly regarded for their clothes washers and dryers.
Their refrigerators have been a mess. That makes it hard for me to trust their other appliances.
If the company has ever made a TV or a cell phone I’m not buying their appliance.
Samsung burned me once….
Just get a Speed Queen. Incredibly durable, easy to repair, and surprisingly quiet.
That’s not true at all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miele
Someone already pointed that out, so I edited the post with strikethrough hours before you replied.
Speed Queen IPOd recently. Make of that what you will.
They overdosed on Internet Protocol‽ /s
For those like me who actually didn’t know: Initial Public Offering. It’s the first time (initial) the company sells shares (offering) on public stock exchanges. Aka: they went public.
In addition, in a well functioning economy, companies only go public when they want to raise a lot of new money, because they have ambitious plans that can’t be achieved with their current sources of funding. Now, really, that’s bullshit. Companies mostly go public because the insiders want to cash out. Going public allows them to sell their shares for actual money. But, still, in theory the company should be going public with a story about how they’re going to use all the new funds they’re raising, otherwise they (in theory) won’t be able to con people into investing.
The end result of going public is that the company is no longer in the control of the founders or even the early investors. Now it has a bunch of public investors who don’t care about the company culture, don’t care about the relationships with the employees or the customers. They just want to see a 15% year-over-year growth in the value of their stocks. That means that pretty often once a company goes public its products or services start to suffer, because you can make more money by squeezing suppliers, finding the cheapest parts, outsourcing jobs, etc.
It’s kind of crazy that like heating air is not perfectly mastered in every stove, heating and pumping water in every dishwasher and laundry machine etc. It’s very simple stuff after all.
How fuckin cheap du you have to be to make a non perfect machine 🤷🏻♀️?!
For stoves, the thing that breaks is the control board. Hot + electronics is bad.
An induction stove avoids most of that problem because the hot happens in the pot and not inside the stove.
But I agree, there’s not much reason a stove can’t last 50 years. In fact, my parents have a 50 year old resistive stove that still works.
Washers have the most to go wrong of things you listed.
The pot is sitting on the stove. And induction involves electromagnetism, which means it involves metal pots and pans, and metal loops of wire to induce current in that cookware. Metal parts conduct heat very well. So, induction stoves don’t get quite as hot as conventional stoves. But, they still get very hot because they have a hot metal pot sitting on them.
Also, while induction stoves don’t get quite as hot as other kinds of stoves, they involve large currents and large amounts of magnetism. That means both stress on the electrical parts, and mechanical stress from the magnets.
Overall, I’d guess that an induction stove is probably going to have fewer things that can go wrong with it than a gas stove, a glass-top stove or an olde fashioned electrical resistance stove. But, it isn’t like an LED light or something that should last decades because there’s no moving parts, no heat, no big currents, etc.
Yeah definitely isolate hot things well, it also uses less energy and heats up the surroundings less.
For the washers, maybe but its just like 2 pumps a motor and a control board, it should be simple mechanics to switch those out if they break, IMO.
My burner igniters aren’t electronic-control and they still failed in a less than decade old stove that was not heavily used at all (I live alone and use the stove, not even the specific burners that failed, maaaaaaaaybe monthly)
They just make their parts cheap overall. Induction isn’t enshittification-proof. If anything it’s more susceptible, being entirely electronic.
That said I’d trade my gas stove for induction if I could, even with enshittification.
Is Asko stil good? Owned by Gorenje since 2010
I bought a Bosch dishwasher because of this reputation, and I hate it.
The drying function is a joke. Everything plastic comes out with water still all over it. My Maytag (which admittedly died) used to dry everything perfectly.
Also the racks on the Bosch are poorly organized. It’s always a challenge to find places to fit everything.
Not to mention that newer low end Bosch dishwashers require an account and app for some functionality.
High end ones do too if you want to access all of the wash features; they can’t be entirely programmed from the device itself.
Miele is the GOAT. Love our Miele appliances. All of them are now 15 years old and not a single problem. Buying the 10 year warranty was a waste. Buy once, cry once. Only appliances I would consider are Miele and Bosch Benchmark.