This statement came after the meeting with Doug and the fed ministers.
Ford said the meeting was productive. What was the product of that meeting exactly? They said: "Fuck you, you owe us! And we said: “…” What happened to your backbone, Dougie?
Ok copyight laws revert back, patents are to be ignored, status quo lost
They desperately want to flood our protected markets and crash our economy and are pissed we aren’t letting them - hence the threats. Literally every interaction we have had with the Donald government has been a goddamn threat. Let us crush your local production, let us have your resources, let us have the Arctic, etc etc
They need to learn to grow the fuck up and learn you can’t have everything.
They could in the past now they want everything for nothing.
They still, to this day, do everything they can to make the people of Cuba suffer for their decision to stop Usamerican exploitation of their land/labour/resources, decades ago.
US is negotiating in bad faith. They don’t care for a deal, they are working to ruin the relationship.
They are doing the same with Ukraine.
They desperately want to flood our protected markets and crash our economy and are pissed we aren’t letting them - hence the threats. Literally every interaction we have had with the Donald government has been a goddamn threat. Let us crush your local production, let us have your resources, let us have the Arctic, etc etc
I think this argument is missing the bigger picture. Trade isn’t some one-sided plot by the U.S. to “take over” Canada—it’s about negotiations, and sometimes, yes, that includes pressure tactics. But the real issue here isn’t some grand conspiracy to flood our markets and crash our economy. It’s that the U.S. often pushes for one-sided trade deals that benefit them more than us, and we push back. That’s not an attack—it’s just how trade disputes work.
The real question is: why should Canada keep such heavily protected markets in sectors like dairy and telecommunications while expecting full access to the U.S. market? Competition is a good thing—it leads to lower prices and better services. Imagine getting European cheeses at a fraction of the cost or finally having real telecom competition. If the U.S. is willing to open its markets to our regional airliners, our softwood lumber, and other key exports, why wouldn’t we negotiate on equal footing?
The problem isn’t trade itself—it’s unfair trade. If the U.S. wants access to our markets, we should be getting equivalent access to theirs. That’s the real fight here. Instead of seeing this as a U.S. plot to crush Canada, we should be focused on securing a deal that works both ways—whether that means better market access, fairer tariffs, or even things like freer movement of citizens across borders.
The goal should be fair trade, not a lopsided deal where one side wins at the expense of the other.
Because they subzidize their dairy and would destroy our dairy industry and then we would be dependent on them for one more thing. Also the US has lost mulotiple cases for the softwood lumber tariffs. And have never paid or stopped the process. So why would it ever be any different.
The real question is: why should Canada keep such heavily protected markets in sectors like dairy and telecommunications while expecting full access to the U.S. market?
Dairy in Canada absolutely has 0 expectation of full access to US market. They produce enough for Canada and that’s it, and they lobby to keep it that way. Telecommunications, I’m not sure what you mean. Certainly Nortel/RIM don’t exist much anymore. Our cell phone and cable companies do not have access to US market either.
European cheeses at a fraction of the cost or finally having real telecom competition.
US dairy policy is to produce liquid cancer, but I get that if it were cheap enough, I/some could go for that. We could subsidize Canadian dairy the same way, and dairy lobbyists could be ok with it. Telecom would be better enhanced by China instead of a Canadian enemy. Even cheaper. Hysteria over foreign influence, means only US and our currently extortive oligarchs are allowed political influence, so good luck with that. There’s no other way to make Canadian oligarchy rich than current system. Ukrainian hatred voting block also does not count in foreign influence hysteria.
The problem isn’t trade itself—it’s unfair trade. If the U.S. wants access to our markets, we should be getting equivalent access to theirs. That’s the real fight here.
That is what current for of democratic dysfunction in Canada will produce. US tells us trade is unfair, and you repeat it. But the Canadian/US oligarchs in control of us tell us to love the US always, and hate its enemies, and you should never consider any other message.
That’s the real fight here. Instead of seeing this as a U.S. plot to crush Canada, we should be focused on securing a deal that works both ways—whether that means better market access, fairer tariffs, or even things like freer movement of citizens across borders.
It 100% is a plan to crush Canada, where your trade fairness euphemism is used to recommend even higher submission in what was always a submissive relationship. It’s only fair if we give up everything in how Canada is structured, and support more wars, and perhaps migration internment camps.
You know trump negotiated the last trade deal, right? Canada has protections set up so the American oligarchs can’t take over Canada like they’re doing down south
Yes, clearly every trade agreement must benefit our local Canadian oligarchs – Irving, Weston, Rogers and Patterson. We certainly can’t use free trade and human dignity to work towards fairer, more equitable societies - that would be too logical right?
Are you willing to die for Trump? Are your loved ones?
American shills everywhere. Just go away. We will see you soon enough.
I don’t follow this argument.
If our local industries cannot survive in an environment where we “fully open up trade” to the supposed benefit of making things better by having competition – a point I also don’t agree with; cheaper does not always mean better, and I don’t want to only have certain American food products of lower quality for example – that means that we then become entirely reliant on America in those sectors. When that happens what is the outcome of the next spat with them? We need to be more self-reliant, not less.
At that point we might as well become American. We already debend on them for defense if we also end up relying on them for food are we even a country anymore?
Some market have strategic value other are essentials and you need to control. Under cutting local producers until they give up means you can price gouge after and make huge profits. Deregulate milk and see your farmers disappear, you become dependant on a not so friendly neighbor.
My wallet shouldn’t be used to subsidize a fundamentally unproductive Quebec dairy farm because political parties need to prop up their Quebec MPs. Markets should be free, trade should be open and fair for trading partners that feel likewise.
So the states subsidezs their milk. So your fine with their citizens payinf for you to have cheaper milk. If that even happens.
Markets should be free, trade should be open, industries should be monopolized and the masses should be exploited.
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Yes, that seems to be the preference among this crowd. It’s good to lick the boots of monopolies and I’m sure everyone loves paying 3x the global cost for cell phone service.
Feel free to move? Canadian society is about supporting individuals
Canadian society is about supporting individuals
A strong, viable welfare system isn’t funded by good feelings. You too are also welcome to leave if you contribute nothing to society.
Are you saying only Quebec produces milk? Aren’t there farmer in other provinces?
They need a bunch of stuff from Canada, and they know it. Why they’re playing dumb like that, we’ll never know.
We really ought to stop exports of anything their military needs, for national security reasons. “National security” is one of Trump’s favorite justifications, so I’m sure he’ll understand.
That’s how you definitely get invaded. Cover Canada in spikes before you do something like that.
Oh… so we are already forced to give US everything they want always. Glad to learn this. An alternative to that arrangement would be better relations with other colonies, and US enemies. How much would it cost to get North Korea to give us a nuclear umbrella? Compared to continuing our current colonial status, the latter could appear to be a good deal for US.
If they invade Canada, they better not grant citizenship. 30 million New Democrats (75% of Canadians), many new senators, and a bunch of electoral collage votes. There would not be another Republican government for at least a generation. Starting in 2026 (mid-terms).
Just the Canadians already living in the US would have stopped Trump from winning last election.
All we need to do is remind them of the above and they will never, ever invade. It is perhaps our most powerful shield.
With the above in mind, stop sending them nickel immediately. Their military will do the negotiating for us.
The only have the power we give them. Please give them none.
Threat of 51st state is actually threat to make us another Guam, for this reason.
Why he has said they don’t need anything from us. Is he going to go back on that?
Are we sure they’re playing dumb, and aren’t just actually dumb?
American here. We are dumb. And dangerous. He’s probably going to go after Panama and Mexico first, but make no mistake, he will come for Canada if he can.
Please take the opportunity to remind us why the Geneva Convention is such a long list.
That makes us look kinda shitty though, maybe instead y’all could pull a major redemption move and remind us why the second amendment is held so near and dear to y’all’s hearts.
Unfortunately the people smart enough to realize what’s happening are also smart enough to realize how terrible things will get if we do truly kick off a civil war.
For now we’ve moved past the Soap and Ballot boxes, and now we’re watching the Jury box. Once that fails…
To make it look like we are treating them unfairly. They are trying to make Canada look like the bad guy.
The only people who actually believe that “Canada is the bad guy” are the dumbest of the dumb Republican voters. Most people with any sense can see that Trump is the asshole here. Every other world leader, except for putin, publically acknowledges this.
I will also add that Lutnick is a massive piece of shit and paints trump as the saint of all saints. Canada shouldn’t even bother having talks with any of their representatives if they’re playing pigeon chess.
Yeah I was reading yesterday that the spat with Canada is hugely unpopular with American citizens. Even many GOP voters don’t want it. I suspect that the US will keep tariffs up and continue being a pain in the ass, but they will shift their military threats elsewhere. The recent news of the US planning an invasion of Panama seems more possible and would easier for them to sell to the US people. It would still be economic suicide, though.
I think if the invade Panama, it increases the chance we get invaded. And if the do Greenland after Panama our likelihood of staying a sovereign nation plummets.
Crazy to think that voters were convinced that “sleepy joe”, and whatever nickname they gave Kamla Harris, would have been worse than what’s happening now.
Hopefully, Canadian leaders are wise enough to take the threats to Canada’s sovereignty extremely seriously. It should be their number one priority. Just because the Dollar Menu aficionado in the White House says something that seems baffling on its surface doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be planning for the worst.
Well you are lucky if you live outside of Saskatchewan or Alberta.
There seems to be no way out of this without serious threats…
It is serious. Don’s an unhinged grifter, but he’s also just a puppet president, imo. He’s got orders to follow, but he’s also a dangerous narcissist with a long leash. Musk is just fucked up these days. He’s just trying to syphon as much money as he can, while losing billions at the same time. He had to know he was.tanking Tesla, but he got his $55 billion dollar paycheck from them.
So basically they cant look after themselves, and believe its up to the rest of the world to feed them.
They’re broke and want to expand to get new revenue streams. Taxes from the people, have access to the resources.
Nutlick says what now.
