As much as I dislike the Chinese Autocratig Regime, if they’re right, then they’re right.
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China bullies and threatens all of it’s neighbors. They murder more than a few Vietnamese fishermen every year. Greetings from Hanoi.
So your point is that because China does it it’s ok for others also to do it? Or is your point that as long as you don’t have a perfect track record you’re not allowed to speak up when others misbehave? What are you trying to say?
I think it’s fair to call out hypocrisy even if it relates to messaging you agree with
I am so embarrassed for my nation.
So many hateful people united in hate towards half of their own country.
Sometimes being a straight white dude is a weird thing, all these horrible people look around make sure there’s none of “them” around and then they say something so vile to me as if I’d agree with them.
I don’t let them off the hook. Ever. I just talk louder “what did you say? I’m hard of hearing please speak up? What did you say was the problem with all black people?! (Mexican people / gay or trans people / Jews / Asians etc)”
Fuck bigots
I don’t know if it’s a gender thing, a location thing, or just my vibe (I’m a woman from Connecticut and I’m an autistic vegan with a septum ring who presents pretty butch), but this has happened exactly once to me. It was, unfortunately, my best friend making a mildly antisemitic joke to me and another acquaintance of mine she’d never met, at his expense. Fortunately, however, I took her aside and was able to get through to her. She was adamant that she wasn’t antisemitic, but “the joke was right there.” I explained that it’s like the “make me a sandwich” or “tits or gtfo” jokes, where in one instance, they might not be so bad, but they wear on you and make you so wary of hearing them that you start to think about your wording, and they other you over time. She understood, so well that she felt awful about it and apologized, and has occasionally mentioned the interaction several times since as a pivotal moment for her.
This was such a painful but wholesome story. I think as we all grow up and mature over time, almost all of us can think of a moment where we grew. Thank you for guiding others gently and for giving them a soft bed of understanding to land on.
You’re a real one I wish I could have your patience and understanding. I
Uyghurs are in forced labor camps. That seems like worse bullying.
We really have no high ground here. Our prison industrial complex is much larger and we have way more incarcerated people per capita than china. The USA is 5% of the world’s population and we have 25% of the worldwide prison population. One in three black men will spend time in the United states prison system. We need to worry about the genocide being committed through mass incarceration and the police state here before we start judging china. Forced labor is alive and well in our country. You should watch the documentary 13th
Afaik people in usa are now too. Imperialists are the worst, no matter the color of the rag they are proud of.
although i get your point, the usa, for all its many problems and atrocities, isn’t specifically arresting people based on religion or ethnicity and hauling them into forced labor camps.
there are arguments that systemic racism, combined with forced labor in prisons, creates a situation in which there is de facto racial slavery (because statistically we know some black people will be wrongly arrested due to racism and forced to be slaves in prison), but despite this also being awful, it’s not the equivalent of an explicit policy rounding up a religious minority for work camps
isn’t specifically arresting people based on religion or ethnicity and hauling them into forced labor camps.
It’s important to remember China’s mindset is very much in the century of humiliation.
Yeah but our current position is perpetual humiliation
I’ll trade current event humiliation/nazism for the historical variant.
Germany and china are less fucked up than USA in 2025
China is still actively committing genocide against the Uyghurs so I’d would definitely not say the last one
They are deporting citizens from other counties to a black site known to torture and detain criminals all over the world. Like that lady from Canada a month ago who spent 2 weeks in a cell.
The US has been put on human rights watchlists.
Their police actively kill first ask questions second. They kill so many innocent black people that the world formed Black Lives Matter in support.
Keep staying delusional I guess till Trump starts building those gas chambers.
Guys guys, settle down. Two countries can be horrible dictatorships which don’t care about it’s citizens human rights. It doesn’t need to be a contest. Both of you have a popsicle and go play on the swings.
That’s a bingo!
I don’t know anyone with a modicum of brains to debate that one lol. Every county has skeletons. Every. One.
Governments don’t care about you. Anymore than a stranger would.
Governments are just strangers that happens to be in positions of power.
Buddy I didn’t deny anything about how our own government is actively an authoritarian regime or any of the shitty things it is doing. But we still are not at People’s Republic of China (PRC) levels yet. We do not actively censor the media on the same level as PRC where even the slightest hint of disapproval is enough to be disappeared, yes though the waters are being tested here. For now we still have elections on the state level that can mean something since more than one party can run. We are still allowed to protest here without just being shot on sight. We have an uncensored internet for the time being so I do think it is fair to say we are not as bad as the PRC.
The sacred rituals of Western civilization-- the election and the press-- were long ago subsumed by capital. You don’t need to formally censor when the oligarchs own the media and will skew the messaging to serve their interest. You don’t need to have a single party state when the Overton window has been dragged so far right that no electoral outcome can actually oust billionaire rule.
At least, in that context, we can ask who censorship serves? Is it about social cohesion and stability, or preserving the privilege of a handful of people?
Yeah but we’re actively genociding our own people and other countries peoples.
We’re technically even shittier
Yeah and McDonalds keeps genociding all those potatoes to make fries, its bullshit. What’s genocide mean again?
Extermination of an ethnic, religious, or nationalist group
This can be achieved through murder, reeducation, banning cultural practices, or diluting the population so their customs become lost
Can people make up their mind if they are against or for religion already?
Religion is fine in the privacy of your own home or place of worship
It’s when it enters public life that it becomes a problem because then it’s infringing on other people’s rights
